To Open Carry or Concealed Carry?

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There are a lot of opinions when it comes to the debate between open carry versus concealed carry. Heck, I have plenty of my own. However, I think the decision can be quickly informed by looking at the application context.

That is the question. Okay, maybe not “the” question, but it is a question that is asked often and it often leads to a lot of discussion which sometimes gets a little heated. The points made for and against each carry methods most often than not have a lot of merit, but often the points are made without full context or without applicable context. I might sound like a broken record, but context is everything.

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I’m going to come right out of the gate and say it. In the context of an armed civilian who is carrying a pistol for defense against criminal assailants, I firmly believe concealed carry is the way to go. I’m leading with this because the vast majority of folks who are debating the merits of open versus concealed carry do so in this context. There are certainly times when I will open carry a pistol, but the contexts are different and the parameters of those contexts inform everything including the selection of the pistol, the ammunition, and the carry method. I’ll provide some examples of this towards the end of the post, but first let’s look at some of the common discussion points in the context of the armed civilian and criminal assailants…

Read the rest of the article HERE! What are your thoughts, do you prefer open or concealed carry where you are?

I have a permit to do both, but I prefer concealed. I don’t want to draw attention to myself. Just my 2 cents.

We are allowed to do both here in Kansas, we even have permitless carry, I believe that open carry invites undue, unwanted attention.

In Ohio open carry has been legal forever…
I have the CHL even though no longer needed in Ohio. The CHL allows benefits and locations otherwise not permitted including travel out of state…
That said I only conceal
BUT a simple t-shirt over a OWB works for that in my world.
If it prints or rides up a bit, so be it!
over 10 years carrying at work only once did anyone ask about my firearm, he was a off duty sheriff and just wanted to know what I carried!

I have my CCW permit, I’m a USCCA member, and I’m insured through their services. I’m also a church guardian.

I carry concealed, and it’s like AmEx; I never leave home without it. If I can’t tell the sheep from the goats out there, they shouldn’t get to know I’m carrying, either. Open carry is the first target for bad guys. Some say it has a deterrent effect on bad guys. I’ve been around enough crazy and desperate people to know bad people are gonna do bad stuff and they only see obstacles. If I’m going to have to defend my life, I want the element of surprise on my side.

Open carry in the backcountry

Concealed everywhere else

Everthing in the full article, is on par with my research and experience.

I have one exception for out in the woods. Hillpeoplegear original kit bag (other models are now avalible), allows descrete secure carry. Specifically allowing chest pouch option where a padded pack belt may not allow belt carry.

I don’t even think you can call carrying in a visible belt holster on a hunting trip “open carry”. To me the intent of that phrase was instead of concealed carry. As in, in a restaurant, movie theater, church, something like that. From that perspective I think it’s stupid and I appreciate someone presenting themselves as a first target so I can have time to take cover and protect myself. It’s their right, just like facial tattoos and wearing shoplifter pants. But I can exercise my right to go the other way when I see it.

I’ve been checking out their rigs recently. I just need to pull the trigger on one.

I’ve seen people carry on their hip, and I think to myself I could snatch that pistol outta that holster before they know what happened. That’s the biggest reason I don’t open carry.

Dagger in full size original kit bag.


Also fits Glock 40 long slide 10mm, full size 1911.
Edit to add, tourniquet pouch on the left underarm web strap.

They have some very cool stuff

I’ll be dropping some coin here

Thanks for sharing :+1:t3:

Although I do like that. It’s totally not discreet at all. That thing screams gun. Very nice thou.

@California_Refugee
Hiked past a few 100 peple without a clue.
At the outdoor shooting spots I’ve had enough medical gear in the mid pouch none of the gun people questioned it after showing a trauma kit.

To each their own.

In the mountains, everyone open carries

If you’re not, I’m wondering WTF is wrong with you…

@rockymountainjeep


Eberlestock Gunslinger 2, AR-15 w/standard capacity 30 rnd mag in pack, 10mm or .40S&W inside the waist band.

From testing, full auto Thompson aka tommy gun w/stick mag (07 FFL with SOT license testing), 5+1 mossberg 12 ga, all work in the rifle scabbard.

Again, near 100, I’ve hiked past with a rifle descretly carried. Helped having a high vis leash hooked through the sternum strap with my dogs over the last 10 years.

Edit to add:
a tag for Allen & i was packing a pre cut section of tree trunk back to our anniversary camping spot, for my wife to use as a food prep table.

Ok, well considering for the longest time, in my state of MO, the only legal way to carry, without having to ask for a government permission slip and jumping through the hoops to obtain it was Open Carry. In fact, you couldn’t even get one of those permits until 2003, a mere 20 years ago. Now, that Constitutional Carry has been passed OC has been protected in local jurisdictions that once had the ability to forbid it (though with the requirement of CCW). To this end I spent a lot of time on a forum called OpenCarry.Org working with others to try and explain why OC was not all the things the author of this article said it was. Before I address some of the points, in the article, let me first say that they are not new. These have been hashed and rehashed repeatedly and while the author seems to think that throwing the idea of “context” is a new spin on the argument, it’s really just the old “just because you CAN doesn’t mean you Should” argument that has been presented time and time again. So, with that said let’s get to the points.

First, let’s talk about comfort. I would say that the shoe analogy is bit flawed, since while we all do wear shoes, we tend to choose comfort there as well. How many concealed carriers prefer to wear crocs or flip flops as their daily footwear? We all know that if a defensive situation arises that having good footing and being able to move effectively is very important, but I don’t see anyone condemning their choice of footwear as a problem. A person’s comfort is a perfectly legitimate reason for their choices in life, both in clothing and form of carry.

Next the author brings up speed of draw, OC vs. CC, and states that while it might be a little faster, surely, it’s not that much faster. Here I agree with him, though he does seem to overlook the possibility that your clothes may snag on your firearm is greatly increased in CC over OC. He, blithely, states that anyone with a “minimum level of competency” should be able to draw within tens of a second from beneath concealment, but that totally ignores the truth that a mis-draw is a possibility in a high stress situation. He also states here that the additional time it takes to draw may give the assailant time to reconsider, I will address that in a bit.

Up next is the normalizing point. For many years OC proponents, in various states, would hold Open Carry events. These were often BBQ’s or dinners were people open carrying go out and have a little fellowship and show that an openly displayed firearm is not a thing to be frightened of. In many cases these events only served to enlighten the general public to the form of carry and help remove some of the stigma associated with it. In other cases, overzealous law enforcement officers would show up, demanding ID and in some cases making arrests; arrests that cost their cities, in the form of bad press and damages from lawsuits. I would at this point like to add that much of the nationwide growth of CC and Constitutional Carry came from the OC community. It was OC activist that were out on the front lines talking to the public and politicians that drove a change in laws. It was not those who relied on some occasional donation to a national firearm association, which more times than not were only interested in its own enrichment, but let’s move on.

Here we discuss the “deterrent” aspect of OC. The author states that criminals don’t think like us and he’s right, but they also don’t always think like the author. OK, here’s a big point that many CCers don’t want to admit; you are not going to be going up criminal masterminds and combat hardened operatives. There are plenty of videos on the Interwebs showing criminals rushing into a continence store, right past fully uniformed and kitted police officers (who by the way wear their firearms out in the open). Criminals are impulsive and often have a bit of tunnel vision. They also hold their lives very dearly and don’t want to risk getting into a gun fight. Don’t believe me? Google Kennasaw GA Waffle House Open Carry. Here let me save you some time.
Open carry deters armed robbery in Kennesaw (nyccriminallawyer.com)
Long story short, a group of masked and armed men wanted to rob a Waffle House in Kennasaw GA. They sent in a scout to check the location out. He sees two gentlemen eating with openly holstered 1911s and the group decides to wait until they leave to rob the place. During this time local police roll up and spot the car they are sitting in. The police take them into custody and trouble is averted. This is a unicorn case because it shows something which can’t normally be shown. It’s near impossible to show how something didn’t happen and why, therefore the number of times any firearm, openly carried or concealed, stopped a crime is uncountable. Let us move on to the another point the author brought up, the stolen gun.

This is the one that those who dislike OC bring up over and over. I’ll just get this out of the way now and say that there have been OCers who have been robbed of their firearms. It’s true, but the extent it has happened is generally overhyped. To begin with the number of cases is not that high, they exist but they are really just a handful. It’s not something that is seen 1 out of 10 or even 100, or even 1000, or even more. The simple truth is that there are people who have chosen to carry a firearm that were not as situationally aware as they should have been and as a result they had their firearms taken from them, and in one or two cases actually turned on them, it’s true. It’s also true that there have been an equal number of cases (in other words only a handful) where a criminal got the drop on a CCer and proceeded to steal their firearm, as well. I used to have a file saved on my old computer that contained stories from across the nation of such instances, but sadly that computer is no more. So, in this case I am unable to link to a few cases presented by a guy who teaches OC over CC as a technique to bolster my case. Sorry.

There is also one final point to the deterrence argument I would like to make. CC only allows you to react. If a situation arises and you are CCing, you can only react (whether by engaging or not engaging) to it, the other guy has already made the first move. OC can “deter” the other guy from choosing to make that move, thus keeping you from having to react. As the author stated, it’s better to stop the assailant without firing a shot and convincing them that it’s not in their best interest to initiate a situation does that nicely.

Let me just say that I don’t think I will change anyone’s mind on the topic of OC vs CC and that isn’t my goal. I am only hoping that my arguments will, possibly, show that there are valid reasons for OC, just as there are for CC and that both forms of carry have their place, not just in the woods, but in a daily self-defense scenario.

Credit to you, but I don’t explore the high elevations of Colorado on foot for the most part.

I do, but my main point A to point B is my side by side. I’ll have a pistol and/or revolver on my person, with a slung rifle on me in those special circumstances.

Lots of good info in your post to consider.

I didn’t realize you meant while hiking when you posted that pic. In that case, I agree with you. I thought you were doing a concealed carry with that kit bag as an edc. That would have stuck out like a sore thumb. My apologies haha.