I’ve been researching suppressors over the past couple of weeks. Now that I have a Jakl upper with the jmac keymo flash hider on it, I’m thinking that my next big purchase might be a suppressor to use on it.
With the muzzle device on it, I’m stuck with the keymo and hub eco systems, which I don’t have a problem with, and is the reason why for now I’ve sort of settled on these three. Also, I like the ability to swap endcaps on the Dead Air’s.
Does anyone have an experience with these? Own a couple of them and can make a comparison?
The way I’m looking at it, size and weight aren’t really a concern for me. It would be my first can and I would rather focus on good sound suppression. And it’s going on a 13.7 p&w, so it can be a bit longer without making the rifle ridicuously long. But, I’ve not been able to find any concrete opinion/evidence on the 30 caliber cans vs 5.56 specific cans. Do you get slightly better sound reduction on a 5.56 rifle with a 30 cal can? Or is a dedicated 5.56 can undeniably the way to go?
Also I have a 16" Sig MCX (needs a keymount compatable muzzle device still though), so I’m kind of assuming that I might end up with the Sierra 5 anyway at some point. As I’ve read, once you get one, it’s hard to not end up with multiple cans.
Also, I would say that I’m leaning towards the sandman s, but mostly because you can get one in FDE. Sure, I could paint or get cerekoted the other two, but that’s an extra expense on top of everything.
Oh, as an aside, has anyone used the Dead Air Wolverine? I just like the way it looks and jmac customs makes an adapter to be able to use it on the keymount system. Would it be similar to a 30 cal can since it’s make for 7.62x39mm?
And lastly, I’m still open to suggestions for any other brand that’s hub compatible. I’ve seen some positive reviews for the Otter Creek Labs Polonium series, for example. So if there’s a suppressor that fits what I’m looking for better, (good to great sound suppression on 5.56, and ideally no more expensive than 1k before tax stamp), I’m open to looking into any other suggestions.
I have a Sandman L, and it’s very quiet, but the size is hefty. I picked it because I wanted a super durable and quiet can, and it’s definitely that, so maybe it’s a good fit for you. I use it on 300BLK and 5.56, AR’s and Jakl’s. I’ve shot a rental Sandman K and that’s too loud. The S really is the Goldilocks size, though.
I have a 556 flash hider cap, but don’t bother to change it any more. Yeah, the smaller opening in the cap makes it ever so slightly quieter, but I didn’t like having to switch the caps all the time because I knew it was only a matter of time until I forgot and blew the end out. Dead Air is good about repairs, ask me how I know, but why push my luck for an extra few dB’s. With supersonic rounds ear protection is required anyway.
Is a dedicated 556 can the way to go? I think for a third can, why not. But the 30’s have pretty close performance with a ton more flexibility unless you know you are never going to shoot anything but 5.56. Though I assume if you’re asking that isn’t the case. BTW, your second can should definitely be a 22LR. You want Hollywood quiet, you got it with 22 subs. That really is what you imagine a suppressor should be.
Well, so far, I only have 5.56 rifles that I want to suppress. But if I’m totally honest, the upcoming .308 Jakl will be mighty tempting to pick up at some point in the future. So having a can that can go between calibers might not be a bad idea. Other than that, I have no reason to change an end cap away from a smaller 5.56 one.
Me looking at the .30 cal cans is kind of more me just trying to account for the 2.7in flash hider on the end of my Jakl. Bigger/longer cans shouldn’t run into any issues over fitment.
That’s also kind of why I’m not fussing over length of the suppressor. If the length of the suppressor is 8.9 inches (like the Sandman L, according to the specs, then I’d only be adding around 6in to the end of the gun with it mounted since the 2.7in flash hider goes into it. Weight is a while different factor, but since it’s my first, I feel like it’s not something to obsess over.
So no experience with the Sandman L compared to the S when it comes to sound? You said the K was too loud for you, but I’m specifically not looking at K-cans aside from the Sierra 5, really.
Like I said in the OP, jmac customs makes an adapter that allows the Wolverine to accept Hub mount adapters, so it can be used with other calibers like 5.56.
I’m mostly just curious about it because of the aesthetics. I think a Wolverine would look really good on a Jakl, but it wouldn’t be my first choice or purchase unless someone had concrete evidence that it was better than any of the other offerings out there.
Dont buy a suppressor for looks. The Wolverine has baffles to compensate for the issues with AKs. It will not perform as well on an AR where concentricty of threads is not as big of a deal.
If you think you might have a .308/300BLK in for foreseeable future, get the .30 cal instead of a 5.56, skip the endcaps (it comes with a .30 cal, not 5.56), and you’ll save some money and be close enough to the performance of a dedicated 5.56 can, especially if you go for the big boy L. Nothing wrong with a good 5.56 can, but these things aren’t cheap, so I’m not sure how many you want to buy. If you only have 5.56 now and 30 cal stuff is a distant possibility down the road, get a 5.56 and you’ll be happy until then.
No experience with the Sandman S. I was able to compare the K and L back to back, and in my mind’s ear I imagined that the S would be roughly in the middle and that would have been fine. However, if you really don’t care about the length or weight, bigger surely sounds better.
I have a Sandman s and a Nomad. If i had to go back and only get one it would be the Nomad.
The Nomad uses the HUB mounting system that is an industry standard mounting system that makes it very versatile for mounting systems. I can go from direct thread to keymo to xeno or to any other manufacturer mounting system that uses the HUB mount. The Sandman is a great can but you will be limited to a single mounting system.
Been doing a bit more research recently and now I’m leaning towards Dead Air’s Lazarus 6 suppressor.
It’s hub compatible, so i could buy the keymo Lazarus for use on my Jakl and get something like a Xeno hub mount if I ever wanted to swap it to my other 5.56 rifle(s). (doesnt have a suppressor muzzle device on it right now, but the can having hub compatability would allow me to put whatever I want on it while still being able to use it on my Jakl)
I’ve been reading that it’s getting compared to the CAT WB, and people are saying it’s comparable or on-par with it. Reviews of it are positive once you sift through the DA hate that’s become popular over the last few years.
I only have 5.56 rifles at the moment, and while I don’t discount the possibilty of owning an AR-10 type platform sometime in the future, that’s far off so I think getting some kind of dedicated 5.56 can or something like this will be the better way to go.
Not as important obviously, but I really like that you can get the Lazarus in FDE from the factory, which would satisfy my desire to have the colors balance out on my Jakl build.