Would love to hear some feedback of people who have the Sabre 10A1. Just ordered mine. Struggling on what to put on it. Would love the vortex Gen 3 1-10 but just can’t afford it. I’ll be using the gun as a kinda hybrid “battle rifle” as well as a hunting rifle. Does anyone wish they would have gone LPVO instead of scope or vice versa? Would also love to see pictures. Also looking to get a suppressor, will take feedback on that also! Have a great day!
I have a 12.5" PSA 308. It isnt a saber but i use it hunting. It has a vortex 1-8 on it. Only downside to using it hunting is that lpvo’s do not gather as much light as a traditional scope, so just before sun up or down its a little harder to see.
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Have you looked at the Sig Tango MSR 1-10? They offer it as a FFP or SFP model.
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I actually was looking at it last night! Being Leo I can also get a discount so it might be the one!
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I would not recommend FFP for a battle rifle/occasional hunter with low power. The reticles on them at low power are TINY, so much so where quick acquisition would be an issue.
With SFP, the reticle will be thick and clear at all power levels. Any ranging marks won’t be on point unless you’re at max zoom, but why would you be using them if you aren’t? I only recommend FFP on a medium to high power application, like a long range precision rifle.
You may also consider a 3x or 5x prism. They’re generally built very tough, they function without battery power, and the 3x would be a great jack of all trades type of optic (with obvious limitations at long range compared to the LPVOs at max power) without having to mess with variable zoom. The 5x would be a bit more capable out long and a little less so up close, but you could mitigate that by adding a dot reflex (at added cost, weight, and maintenance.)
One other thing of note, on most everyday-priced 1-10 LPVOs, the 1x won’t be “true”. You’ll likely get a clearer and more true 1x on something a little lower power like a 1-6x. If you truly think you’ll need more than 6x, a 3-9x is a good do it all kind of power range.
Primary Arms makes some excellent stuff at reasonable prices, off the top of my head their 1-6x LPVO with the nova fiber reticle for .308 is roughly $330.
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Not sure that I totally agree with that statement. On the FFP scope in question, at 1x you basically have a big red dot plus three thick crosshair lines drawing your eye to the dot. If you had to rip off a quick shot, I think you’d be able to do so? Sorry for the quick phone pics, the brown cabinet is about 8 ft from the muzzle.
At 5x the reticle’s horseshoe and center dot are more easily viewed
At 10x the full reticle is easily viewed and the three lines of the crosshairs are reduced to just the arrow points.
Not trying to change your mind or anything, just food for thought.
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Maybe if a big blurry dot with the illumination on full in medium light is fine for you and you’re just looking to make “a shot”. To me, not optimal and not worth the large increase in cost to make a compromise you don’t have to.
A SFP’s reticle won’t need illumination at all at 1x, ever, unless it’s dark out.
Here’s an example so you can judge for yourself. Both of these scopes are mounted on long range ARs and both are sitting right next to each other aimed at the same wall, roughly 30 feet away. The SFP is a 3-18x Vortex Strike Eagle, the FFP is a 3-18x Primary Arms SLx. Both are set at 3x.
To me, that’s a massive difference. I would not feel confident at all trying to make a shot basically guessing between the very spread out lines of the FFP scope at 3x, whereas on the SFP it’s very clear and noticeable where the exact center is, without illumination at all. You have to click on the photo and zoom in a lot on the FFP to begin to see the actual reticle and ranging marks. With the illumination on, I’d say you could make a more “educated” guess, but I wouldn’t call it a quick or an accurate one.
I very much like the PA FFP scope, but that’s an AR with a 20” bull barrel that sits on a bipod rested for making precision shots from 2-500+ meters. It’s not something I’d mount on a “battle rifle.”
Your opinion may vary.
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I greatly appreciate the opinions and photos! Any of y’all have suppressors on your rifles?
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Guitar guy runs suppressors on most everything he owns to my knowledge. I have a couple but i have yet to put one on a rifle thats larger than .22 lr. i do hope to in the future though. I need a good 30cal can to do so on my rifles. on my 308 i use a strike eagle 1x8 and am happy with it. i reserve the 1x6 for the ar’s though usually.
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I watched a video with Kevin Owens, where he pondered why we still use cross hairs, when there are better reticles. I added this to my PSA AR10. I could care less what some youtube pontificator is paid to shill. I have tried many scopes in 50+ years of shooting. Army veteran, and all of my rifles still wear iron sights. I really like the set it forget option of this scope. Also, STOP PAYING FOR NAME BRANDS because some over tatted bearded toober told you too.
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The ACSS from PA is a great reticle. Its even better that they have calibrated it for multiple calibers and include a dope sheet.
The ACSS in my PA 2x prism is my favorite reticle. There’s no need for calculations or remembering anything complicated, zero the top of the triangle at 100m, bottom of triangle 200m, ranging marks for 3, 4, and 500, and just hover the horseshoe over anything close range.
It’s honestly the choice I’d make for a “battle rifle” as it is the best combination of both short and medium range effectiveness without any muss or fuss. Set it, zero it, done. Works without battery power, not heavy enough to be cumbersome, tough as nails and no need for backup irons or offset dots.
If not that, I’d opt for a 1-6x SFP with an ACSS.
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Arken EP8 1-8
I cant agree with you more about stop paying for the name on items when there are a bunch of great items out there that arent from super name brand folks.
Thats a good looking rifle. It will eventually be in my stable.
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I appreciate it! Can’t wait to get out and shoot it!
let us know how you like that sig tango
that rifle is sweet… good job man
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