Anyone know the approximate date? Bought a Dagger slide just waiting for the new frames.
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They dont do hard dates.
They are?? Is this official? do you know where the project page is… i think everyone has me on ignore…
i would like to take this opportunity to say i love Let’s Make A Deal!! wayne brady fan since who’s line is it anyways… range day starts after the price is right, because if drew didn’t say he loved me no one would.
hahaa. you’re not on ignore… and htat is a strange fettish about Drew.
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It’s coming. I shot the prototype in February. Colored compact frames will drop first. If everything goes well I suspect the full size frame not long after.
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lol no fetishism or depression or anything weird… the show is setup just to make you feel excited and good the whole time, honestly only two tv shows i watch. and that is badass! one thing i definitely want to see eventually is a 19L slide on a 19X frame
fill that full size spot with something more sporty
You should see the episodes from the 70s/80s
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Lol bob barker was in my cartoon lineup in the mornings, then macgyver 
some of the best times
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This is what I’m waiting on. I’m just not a mid-size pistol guy, so I’ve never been crazy about G19’s. I’m not saying they’re not good guns, they’re just not for me. What I do prefer is the full sized frame with the short slide and barrel like on a G19X/G45. PSA makes this available, then I’ll be buying one tomorrow for $300.
What would really be cool is a Dagger 10MM with a G20SF (being GEN3) based frame with a 4" barrel/slide.
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i just use a 17rnd magazine, and it feels like a 19x… nothing special needed… i also use 10rnd glock magazines made for a 17 on my gen3 19 so it is CA legal and still feels like my 19x
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Why would you want a full-sized frame and a short barrel?
It seems to me the hardest part to conceal is always the butt of the gun. They print.
A longer slide and barrel are a lot easier to conceal than a big frame. And the longer barrel/slide shoots better.
If I’m carrying a full-sized gun and, then I would want a full-sized barrel. Once I’ve got the full-sized frame, what is the downside to a full-sized barrel?
I normally carry with a 4" barrel. But, even if there were another inch of slide and barrel down the inside of my waistband, nobody would ever know the difference.
i wondered this too, until i bought my glock 19x. and i dont know why, but it just feels right. the full size grip in my hand of the 17 with the 19 slide, just works, and works well for me. I’m used to concealing a full 5" 1911, so im not worried about the full size of the glock frame, any more than i would be for the full size 1911.
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Fair enough, and my bad on that.
I didn’t realize the earlier post was talking about a 4" barreled gun. I assumed it was a 3"(-ish). And we know what ASSuming does…
I’m actually the same. I carry a 1911 Commander, which is a full-sized frame with a 4" barrel, so I WAS the pot calling the kettle black… LOL!
All that said, I just bought a Dagger and I ordered some of the Bloody Wheels mag sleeves, so I can have the smaller, G19-sized, frame, but use G17-sized mags when I’m not worried about printing with that big of a butt on the gun.
Well a few things.
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For me it’s not all about C/C. I don’t carry all my guns on my body.
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Like the other fellow said, I’ve hidden a 1911 on me as well as a G20, CZ75, etc. Plus I was born in 82 which means I grew up in the 90’s so I don’t wear tight clothes. These kids nowadays with their skinny jeans look like either dudes that ride in rodeo’s or dudes that like dudes. Now even with fairly loose clothes it can be a PITA to hide a full sized pistol if you don’t want to print, but not impossible for sure.
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I’ve always seen a G19/G23 as being guns that try to compromise a little in every way to be a do it all pistol, but to me they don’t compromise enough in any way. IMO they’re pretty good at everything, but great at nothing. Compared to a lot of small pistols a G19 isn’t the best for simply C/C without printing. My Shield for example is smaller than a G19, but with an 8 round magazine it’s ergo’s don’t offend me any more than a G19’s. If I’m going to compromise grip size and ergo’s then I’m going to go all in on a pistol made for C/C purposes. What I’m trying to say is I always felt like a 19 doesn’t sacrifice size enough to make me want to use it for C/C purposes, while also sacrificing size too much for me to prefer it over say a G17/G45.
It’s not just a 19. I’m just not a fan of that size of pistol. I’ll give you another example. I’ve been a CZ75 fan for 11-12 years. The first time I held one I understood why people raved about it’s grip being the bomb. Of course I’ve looked at some of CZ’s compact versions of the 75 to use as a carry weapon, to see if I could find a 19 sized gun that I really wanted, as I generally prefer a large pistol to a smaller one. So, say I look at a 75 Compact, or PCR or P01, I just don’t like them the way I do a full sized CZ75 based gun. (Oddly enough even if a Jericho is based off a CZ75 it doesn’t have as nice a grip as the 75) The CZ75’s great ergo’s just don’t transfer over to it’s smaller versions IMHO. I mean they’re okay. I don’t hate them. I could get one, and be able to use it just fine. That’s how I feel about a G19. At the same time I just don’t have a desire to own one enough to fork over the $ for one.
When you talk about a short barrel/slide on a full-sized frame being kind of pointless you make me think of my buddy Daniel. He’s a G19 fan who tells me the same thing when I tell him that I prefer a G45. He’ll be like, “I’d rather have a G19 frame with a G17 length barrel/slide.” I tell him to build one with a 19L slide. Still a full sized gun with a shorter barrel is often times desirable. For example when I bought my GP100 I didn’t just buy a regular one, but instead went with the Wiley Clapp version, and that was largely due to the shorter 3" barrel. I do think I generally shot longer barrel pistols better than I do shorter barrel pistols, but not always. I feel I shoot my FN 509 about as well as I do a G17 for instance.
With all that said these are JMO’s. I don’t knock anyone, or feel superior to anyone for owning or liking G19’s/G23’s. I understand they’re good guns, and they obviously have a niche in the market that they fill. When I hold them I just wish for more grip, or make the gun smaller than it is. And I’m not Michael Jordan. I’ve got pretty normal sized hands, and it’s not like my hand is just hanging off the bottom of a G19 or anything, (maybe my pinky, but I can’t remember) but for whatever reason I want more grip on a gun that size. A G45 sized pistol is what I like.
no worries. I’ve actually taken to a commander lately myself, i have a colt wiley clapp commander 1911 i picked up a few years ago and have been carrying that in my miami classic rig. its very comfortable. . I have yet to carry my 19x.
I think you’ll love the ergonomics of the dagger. it feels great in the hand, without the mag adapter sleeves… regarding those,… well its a very touchy subject for me. so i’ll just pass discussion of those for now and simply say you cannot go wrong with more rounds to be carried.
i dont really care about printing anymore, now that we have passed an open carry law i feel that it is not that big of a deal if i print other than to alert criminals that hey this guy is carrying… dont get me wrong i dont intentionally do it, but if it happens it happens… and folks can guess what it is… cell phone or something else? who knows. Im a big dude, so ive always been of the baggy clothes side of things and that has always kept me able to keep from printing pretty well to begin with… so in the event that it happens i just ignore it now. instead of being worried over it.
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Let me ask you, how to you like those irons with that dot?
I’m in the process of building a couple P80’s, (one G17 based and the other G20 based) and while I have some sort of optic on most of my rifles, I’ve never ran a dot on a pistol. The slides I ordered are both RMR cut as I want to try out a dot with them. (Probably either get a Holosun or Swampfox dot setup for RMR slides) The thing is I prefer not to use suppressor sights, but I want to be able to use my irons with the dot mounted. Will standard height sights allow this? Also, at least on a rifle I prefer 1/3 co-witness over absolute co-witness so I’m pretty sure I’d feel the same way with a handgun running a dot.
Thanks,
Jesse
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It’s all tied to the height of irons, the milled depth of the optic cut and the deck height of the optic. They all play into the outcome with regard to cowitness. In the photo above, that dagger slide was milled by Nameless Armament LLC specifically for the 507K. It sits much lower than the rmr cut Dagger slides. Also, the 507K has a very low deck height with an integrated rear iron sight notch… So stock height iron sights provide 1/3 lower cowitness
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