Will the Dagger Compact w/Extreme Carry Cuts & Night Sights (but no optic setup) be available again? I notice they don’t seem to be listed on the website any longer.
I think they are doing away with the non optic cuts and now they will all Have optic cuts, from what I’ve read 
@tomac47
Well, I don’t do optics on pistols, so… I don’t really care for milled down slides and goofy tall sights. Just me, every one is probably thrilled.
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I tried optics but I think I’m just too old for change. Though I have gone to front night sights
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I’m sure optics work great, and provide quick target acquisition. I do not see how you could conceal carry with them, and I do not hang any gadgets whatsoever on any weapon that I own. Not judging, that’s just me - I’m 64, not gonna do it, wouldn’t be prudent at this juncture.
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Y’all continue to press on in a military fashion. I liked the idea of micro for CC. Would like to see higher caliber options, though… Maybe I’ll watch for Officer issue size Admiral, like Kimber Ultra Carry .45ACP. .40 S&W would also work. I’m gonna quit, now. - Dagger thread…
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Optics on handguns just don’t work for me (ymmv), so the Compact w/night sights is perfect for my needs. I already own 3 that rotate between EDC, training & nightstand duty but have friends who have shown a strong interest in mine, considering future purchases.
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On sale right now, no optic cut. Granted, it has the suppressor height sights, but those are easily replaced.
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i’m with some of you guys. i dont really see the need for optics on most pistols and in fact i kinda look at it as almost a gag gift to have on every dang pistol out there or a simple dagger /glock. i mean its one thing if its a tactical pistol purpose built to have the optic cut and option, like the FNX45 or the FN509 Tactical, but i just dont see needing a red dot on everything. 1 its expensive, 2 its bulky, 3, it is awkward for carry, 4, you need propriatary holsters usually, just too many deterants for me… plus you gotta retrain yourself to be used to it and proficient, or master, which means using it almost solely in my mind… so yeah… thats bout how i feel bout them.
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My first CCW was a Glock 34 with RDS and a full size light on it. It concealed rather easily, though was a bit less comfortable than my current Compact Dagger.
They offer amazing improvements in rapid shooting, distance shooting, just shooting in general. I shoot irons with a target focus pretty well, but being able to properly do it with a RDS is even better. People were the same way when rifle red dots first came out, super skeptical for various reasons. Now a rifle red dot is pretty much a replacement for irons.
Any good holster company by default has their holsters RDS compatible. It’s weapon lights you need bespoke stuff for, but then most of the companies that make good holsters have a light bearing option too.
When I went from irons to red dot I didn’t have to retrain myself at all. I had immediate improvements first time on the range. I may be a fluke there. But outside of just personal preference reasons, there is no good reason not to use a red dot as long as it’s a quality one.
I’m all for taking any advantage you can get, within reason IE keeping reliability.
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My EDC Sig P365 has a threaded barrel, micro comp on it and Streamlight TLR-6 weaponlight. Overall it isn’t that much heavier and it isn’t bulky.
I always have a Olight Arkfeld UV 1000 lumens flashlight clipped on my pocket but I still like to always have a wesponlight. I have RDS on 3 of my carry handguns. A RDS on a pistol is just like a RDS on a long gun. It gives you quicker target acquisition with some practice. The key is to practice drawing and getting your red dot on target with muscle memory. If you aren’t willing to put the time in to develop muscle memory with a RDS then DO NOT use one on a carry handgun. If you don’t practice and get muscle memory then you will be wasting valuable time searching for your red dot. It has been proven through critical incident officer involved shooting reviews that in a real situation you will revert to your trainning or the lack thereof. If you train with a RDS your muscle memory will take over. If you use iron sights you will revert to them or at least your front sight. When I draw and present my weapon my sights or RDS are already lined up with the target just from muscle memory. I don’t really have to “aim” unless the target is a longer shot. With a little practice your RDS is quicker to put on target in the dark over night sights. I have night sights on all of my weapons and I used them for years in real world situations so I am not putting them down. My EDC Sig P365 doesn’t have a RDS but it does have night sights. I am perfectly ok with them. I carry it in the small of the back holster.
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It seems like everyone on here has a Sig 365 for edc. Here i am rockin a p938/p238 depending on my mood for an edc. I use no comp, no red dots, no light. lol. I do use night sights… and have consistently for years on just about every pistol i own. i agree with what you say about muscle memory, however on the few pistols that i have that do have an optic, i want to make sure im proficient in muscle memory with them just as much as i am with iron sights. My reasoning is that i never know what i may be carrying or not at any given time, because i am quite an enthusiast. Weather, season, and believe it or not just plain variety will make me want to be equally proficient. I know i know… i’m weird.
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I must be the weirdo. My EDC’s a Glock 42 w/ night sights.
I very much enjoy optics on range pieces and home defense guns, not nearly as much on EDCs. To me, an EDC is very much a “get off me” piece that you might have to take a ranged shot with if you find yourself in the most precarious of situations (Elijah Dickens for example,) so you want to be proficient and confident in accuracy from about 7-15m, but for the most part its purpose is to be drawn and fired as quickly as possible, and for me, irons suit that purpose better. Less weight, easier to conceal, less to snag, and even though I have trained muscle memory in finding the dot in a reflex optic, IMO to me it’s still quicker finding my irons because I know exactly where they are as I’m drawing the weapon up (your own personal experience may vary.)
I’ll deck out all my range toys, but for EDC I like to keep it as compact and simple as possible.
(and yes, if PSA came out with a micro .380 Dagger, I would probably replace the Glock with it.)
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The only thing that I have factored in is with all of these mass shootings you may have to take a longer shot where the RDS would make that easier. I totally agree that in most cases you are going to draw and fire when someone with ill intent is coming at you. In LE we trained doing “rock back” drills. Basically you draw your weapon with one hand and fire from the hip while your weak hand is out in front of you to hold off an aggressor while moving backwards. It doesn’t really take a lot of practice as far as hitting the aggressor. It does take a little practice drawing from the hip, moving backwards and fending off an aggressor all at the same time.
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