Are there short-term plans to have a dagger (the Gen 3-like version) with a side frame-mounted on/off ?
Understood that this will likely make something (trigger group or a slide) incompatible with aftermarket parts
I would think not. That would require a significant amount of change to the design.
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The closest thing to a safety I’ve seen on any Glock would be the Langdon Tactical (LTT) Striker Control Device.
But it’s not quite the same as what you want. Maybe worth a look though.
understood. thank you.
Perhaps slide-mounted safety would require fewer changes, but either way, it does not look like to be in the plans.
I doubt it would ever be. It wouldn’t be a Glock clone anymore.
The internal safeties on those are proven so no real need to change it up.
I would only use the SCD cause it’s optional, and I do like DA/SA guns, so I’m used to having my thumb on the back when holstering.
@vshop PLEASE consider creating or offering to market other manufacturer’s EXTERNAL SAFETY for use with the Dagger, Micro Dagger and 5.7 Rock. Frankly, as I’m “old school” (my first handgun purchase was in 1974), I’d prefer a frame-mounted thumb safety, like the Colt 1911A1 Mark IV, Series 70, or Sig P365 safety (frame, NOT slide-mounted, unlike the M-9), if possible.
As I’m a (still working at age 68) Trauma Surgeon, the COMMONEST firearm I see involved in accidental self-inflicted gunshot wounds, by FAR, involve Glocks or Glock clones, although I’ve never seen one caused by a PSA-made arm (notice I said INVOLVED, and not CAUSED… ADs are CAUSED by the user). And, of course, I see none of the accidental discharge incidents which don’t injure anyone, NOR the opposite, where a fatality occurs at the scene. YES, I know that the data out there is scant & unreliable (I’ve tried searching, but found nothing credible, comparing accidental discharges amongst Glocks vs. other arms), but the idea of leaving a chambered round in an automatic without a thumb safety is just downright scary to me. Maybe because I’m just Old School. But then, again, the US M-17 & M-18 have thumb safeties, too.
The PSA Dagger family, and 5.7 Rock variants are amongst my favorite handguns. But, because of my own experience (truly tainted by my personal Trauma Surgery exposure), I hesitate recommending these (as well as any Glock-like) arms to those who may use them for carry. For RANGE/RECREATIONAL use, however, PSA Dagger-family and the 5.7 Rock are my VERY first recommendation, particularly to new shooters. And in the medical arena, there are LOADS of potential new shooters. And I am terribly outnumbered by the anti’s even amongst those who served in the US military. Sadly.
The Sig P365 & P320 have add-on thumb safety kits which would be ideal, and I understand that Glock proposed a candidate model 19X for the US Army’s XM17 Modular Handgun System competition. Intermittently, one sees articles like:
A Closer Look At The Glock Thumb Safety | thefirearmblog.com I wonder if something like that could be offered by PSA?
On the side, I DO appreciate that you can NEVER make something completely foolproof. Someone will always come-up with a better fool.
I’d appreciate your thoughts & anyone’s so interested.
Thank you.
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I am the same way wrt safety @EarlyDaggerUser . If I put it on my body, it has to have safety or first long double action pull.
Cominolli thumb safety used to be made, but now discontinued.
Ideally, PSA buying the right to make it, and put into the daggers (optional) would solve many problems: long term support, warranty.
Daggers are wonderful and I agree wrt recommending them, particularly because they tame recoil so well, slide is not hard to slide, reliability, price, personalization options (sights, colors, serrations) – those things are important to first time shooters.
But for first time shooters, a recommendation for a strike fired with frame safety, at economical prices – should probably be Taurus G3c series.
I agree that lack of manual safety is preventing wider market applicability. But I also realize there is a vocal, well trained community of enthusiasts that PSA addressed this product to, and manual safety was not one of the requirements.
I suspect majority of the incidents happen during re-holstering, or immediately after that. The process of re-holstering needs some innovation too (in both firearms and the holsters).
for now I always take the holster out (IWB), put the gun into it and then put holster back on. Basically I scrupulously minimize the time the trigger is exposed when the gun is loaded.
the above, of course does not work with holsters that cannot be detached.
I’d argue it would be an ND, not an AD. It’s negligence causing it. Been carrying and shooting Glocks since I was a kid, including in the “dangerous” Serpa holster, never had one go off. If you aren’t comfortable carrying it, either modify it so you are, or find something that suits your needs.
I had one guy at a store tell me he didn’t trust the safety on a 1911 so he thumbs down the hammer. Told me one time it fired itself. I asked him were you thumbing it down. Yup. So, you pulled the trigger and the gun fired? Yup. Did what it was supposed to.
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@ vshop: Thank you for your thoughts.
IIRC, many, if not the majority of negligent discharge INJURIES that I PERSONALLY TREATED as a physician (remember: this may just be a sample-size problem… it’s unusual to see more than a couple of these in a month, although sometimes seeing 4 or 5 gunshot injuries in one NIGHT could occur) were sustained when the patient (or someone close to the patient) was DRAWING the firearm. Almost all of the body parts struck were waist-level and below (predominantly lower extremity). Obviously, as a treating surgeon, I didn’t go into the details of the cause of the injury: Typically, I would ask about the firearm type (rifle, pistol, etc…), caliber & ammunition type if known (depending on what was struck, FMJ injuries are usually the easiest to treat, expanding ammunition caused more damage, but much-touted versions like the dreaded “Black Talon” were remarkable for the LACK of additional damage they caused), and general circumstances (ND/AD, gunfight, robbery, etc…). The majority AD/NDs seemed to occur at home or an acquaintance’s home. At the immediate moment, I recall no injuries sustained while a handgun was being holstered. And the great majority were caused by Glock or Glock clones.
To this day, I’m not sure how these injuries occurred. However, I SURMISED that in the excitement of the draw, the index finger was flexed as the thumb and the rest of the digits rapidly closed around the grip, accidently pulling the trigger as the index finger tip unintentionally entered the trigger guard while the grip was being drawn up and out of the holster.
As an exercise, have someone UNEXPECTEDLY toss a handgun grip-sized object (like a tennis ball) towards you at holster-level. The natural TENDENCY is to flex ALL fingers to solidly catch & grasp the ball. Then try to do the same thing (again, unexpectedly) with your index finger of the dominant hand only EXTENDED (straightened), as one should do when drawing from a holster. That is VERY unnatural, particularly if done suddenly or unexpectedly. You REALLY have to practice/train to do that. I have suspected that this is what commonly happens. This is why I prefer a thumb safety in carry automatics: It DOES add an additional step (& costs time) in the draw, but makes discharge VERY deliberate. But you still have to train. For amateurs like me (I’m not a LE officer or soldier), it makes sense.
On the side, in 5 decades of medical/surgical practice, I have never seen an AD/ND CAUSING a self-inflicted injury from a revolver being drawn in DOUBLE ACTION mode. I did see a couple ADs in single-action draws.
That’s why I’d LOVE to see a thumb safety option with the Dagger series & 5.7 Rock from PSA.
Thank you to everyone for their thoughts!
There are no plans for a thumb safety version that I am aware of.
I have carried a Glock since 1996. Not once has it gone off unless I pulled the trigger. I only pull the trigger when I want it to go off. No safety needed.
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