PSA 20" Rifle-Length .308 1/10 Nitride 15" Lightweight M-Lok STR SSA-E Rifle You asked, we listened!
I’m looking at the PSA 20" Rifle-Length .308 1/10 Nitride 15" Lightweight M-Lok STR SSA-E Rifle. The rifle looks really cool, but I refuse to buy anything based on word barf.
You asked, we listened! Who asked? I didn’t.
What I ask is, is this rifle extensively tested out based on some kind of battle field/survival scenario standards?
Here’s some examples of standards that should be established:
Torture test - Rapid Fire: How many rounds do you have the balls to say this thing can reliably handle under rapid fire? I don’t need to see it catch on fire. But I want to see it operate hot a few times. I shouldn’t need to buy it to see that.
Longevity - Rate of fire under normal conditions until failure. The AR platform with prior proper maintenance has good reliability. Some say 1:20,000 rounds. There’s all these youtubers out there putting equipment to the torturer test: 500 yard accuracy, firing rounds until failure. Foot stomp. If there’s nothing to prove, it will at least make buying the rifles more sense.
You’re awfully salty about a rifle you’re not interested in.
I have a PA-10 and any malfunction was due to ammo and is a tack driver at 600 yards. Haven’t shot further because I don’t have access to a longer range. No one will torture test a 20 inch AR10 to see how many rounds it takes to fail because the purposes of a 20" AR10 are long range shooting and hunting, not mag dumps.
Also where are you getting this 1:20k number from? And who is the “some” when you say “some say?”
I don’t see any torture or longevity tests by any of the other big boys (Daniel, Springfield, Windham, etc). Take care of your stuff, don’t be an idiot, and in the very highly unlikely case that there is a product defect, I think PSA’s generous repair/return policy will take care of you.
If you don’t like my “edgy” answer then read below, because it seems like you don’t know what to look for when it comes to specific applications.
Why would someone torture test a stainless barrel under rapid fire/until failure? That’s not the purpose of a barrel made of SS. They’re known to be more accurate but have a shorter barrel life, that’s barrel material 101. You want a barrel that will hold up better to rapid fire get a CHF barrel.
Also it takes hundreds of rounds of continuous FULL AUTO fire to heat up a barrel until it fails, but the gas tube will always fail first. Under normal rapid fire your finger will get tired before you ruin the barrel or get a gas tube to fail. Also no commercial manufacturer will test that because no one is buying an off the shelf AR10 to shoot full auto.
The testing you listed is not an industry standard for any platform, if you want an AR that has already been tested to meet your standards you’ll never find one you want. If you buy/build a rifle made with the parts that are specific to your application and tune it correctly you won’t have any issues. But from what you listed you may do better with a SCAR17 over an AR10. The AR10/SR25 is used more as a long range platform by militaries where the SCAR is used more as a battle rifle, also a lot lighter.
Wow… PSA puts out a nitrided 20" barrel… and many people prefer nitrated over SS… and someone complains.
Lots of people have been asking for PSA to make more nitrided 308 barrels.
This is a case of “You either know, or you don’t know.”
Look up the advantages to a nitrided barrel. Even look up throat wear on a nitrated barrel…
Given most of us “poor boys” ( PSA included ! ) understand the advantages to a nitrided barrel…lower cost, enhanced corrosion resistence, a harder surface, easier to retain bore size… I’d buy a nitride barrel in a heart beat.
If nitrided barrels were so danged “bad” … the AR15 world would have brought nirided barrels to its knees. But Danged near every manufacturer offers nitrided barrels in one way or another… as a cost effective why to achieve the desired results.
Look at all the other nitrided parts… BCG’s, comes to mind immediately …
Any way… to each his own.
I just noticed the upper is available as well, for 500 bucks, that is a heck of a good deal… I might just order one up. ( and…OOS shortly after I wrote this…dang this thread !! , Lol )
Holy crap, obviously a serious tire kicker. Why don’t you name a few gun manufacturers who do what you are asking. Lol, none, because there are so many variables that can lead to rifle failure.
I love PSA, but by the time I finish with my starter gun, it is only a PSA lower and upper and maybe BCG. If you wanna see a PSA torture test 704 tactical did one. The only manufacturer I have ever seen a torture test last more than 1 to 2k rounds is CMMG with their roller delayed blow back. Most fail at the gas tube when the mf’er gets red hot under full auto fire.
So you’re just a poor boy who likes hunting, but you troll this forum with wild ideas about “standards”. If PSA performed those tests, and posted them - then what? That’s one rifle - no matter what kind of quality control there is, no one can expect identical results from every follow-on barrel or action. If you bought one based on the test, and yours failed, you’d be screaming bloody murder, You’re right in saying each to their own, and following your own advice is a good idea. The rifle “looks cool” …sheesh - lug one around every day, sleep with it close at night, constantly having to clean it because the weather, jungle rot and government ammo. Yeah, some of us “old” guys did that in a hell hole on the other side of the world. You wouldn’t think it “looks cool” if you’d been there done that. Just sayin’ …
OP sounds like he needs this rifle to air drop behind enemy lines in Syria to take on ISIS. I do not think this rifle was every advertised as a bomb proof combat ready to stand up to grunt abuse rifle. Second PSA uses stainless barrels in most all their 308 rifles. Stainless is not known for barrel longevity it is know for better precision type shooting. Stainless barrels are also traditionally not meant for high rates of fire and high round count type shooting. Sooooo… take a deep breath, maybe tone down your mall security guard ninjary, and maybe you could do the testing on the rifle that you want to see done. Honestly I cannot tell if you are just trolling or you honestly believe a setup like this needs to go through such ridiculous testing.
PSA built a product and I’m sure the tested it functionality. That’s all a manufacture needs to do. Its up to you the buyer to determine if it meets your needs. Apparently there’s a market for it as PSA make it. If you want to torture test a rifle that go ahead and buy and test. If I want a battle rifle I’ll pick up a SCAR17, FAL, M14 or G3 in that order and I’ve used them down range enough to know their capabilities. My .308 AR will be a hunting rifle when ever I return from OCONUS.
As someone who has been using and shooting full auto weapons since the early 80s, ALL small arms can fail if pushed hard enough outside their perimeters. They are not designed for continuous fire. You need a water cooled MG for that.
All i know is if we start burning guns up the price will go up so us poor boys cant afford them .plus if you dont trust the manufacturer theres already a problem .I for one trust them and theres life time guarantee on them what more does a person need.I know i need one and im buying .ine here with PSA.
Apparently I’m not allowed to write bu++ hurt. It comes down to what you literally claimed. You said I’m posting about something I have no interest in. I posted it, so. You’re flat out wrong. Then you say I have little understanding of what I’m talking about. I just got back from the field jack. You’re flat out wrong again. I’m not reading your wall of text. LOL. I’m not dignifying your response beyond that. You’re initially derogatory, and less need be said. I like how the mods censor me, and let you get away with writing that insult.
When I was buying my first aramalite, they did a promo on the gun being dropped a helicopter, and then being test fired. Can’t find the video. can’t be making that up.
As far as I’m concerned, the new .308 is like britney spears, and anyone acting taken back is like the person in that old video screaming, “Leave Britney alone!” I’ve herd to many complaints about the AR-10 platform. I want just a bit more of a review than: I fired it from the bench, and put it back in my safe. I liked the rant about taking it to syria. Obviously there’s some middle ground exaggerator.
Try living in this century. Make a cool video. If you have a problem with that get a tissue box, and cry your eyes out. As you ■■■■ post about it.
