Let me know how it goes when you order in a slide and frame directly in from Glock, oh wait, you can’t hmmmmm .
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you know, now that you mention it… i think we may have hit on something here possibly?
i built one dagger, and bought the first one whole. the one i built, when shooting it i have problems with FTE on occasion. I believe this to be a simple spring issue, as when changed with a dagger spring the issues disappeared. My slide was not a complete one though when i bought it, as i bought it from another company entirely than from psa, same as with the barrel and internals to it.
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If you buy a whole firearm, they have the chance to go over the pistol and do final checks. When you buy it in pieces, you take the responsibility of tweaking it in yourself. That’s how I look at it.
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I actually have been thinking the spring is the issue I have experienced.
It makes sense that it is working out as the spring gets used more and more.
If I had a second one i would swap out to check…
but each trip is better and better so it appears to be fixing itself with use.
of the problems I have read 3 were built from frame /slide and 2 at least used white box ammo. I have not used whitebox since first test at range.
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Mating a complete slide to complete frame isn’t really “buying in pieces,” unless you are the FJB LGB AFT.
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Even Paul Harrell recommends running the slide 1000+ times before relying on it, for budget guns. Just watched his Hi Point video recommending that. I just do it for any gun. I highly believe in self clearing.
I don’t think buying the slide and frame separately is the issue. As the slide and frame are made separately anyway, and the upper has no serial, unlike an OEM Glock. I doubt PSA are taking the time to fit the full firearms with multiple slides to see which one has the best fit.
It could be the spring, as most guns I’ve ever owned have been a bit heavy out of box. CZ P07 especially. New gun with the weak white box ammo could definitely cause issues. Maybe white box isn’t weak though, and my other ammo was just hot.
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One of the reasons I went with a Glock OEM FCG in my Dagger is because absolutely cannot stand the S&W-style trigger shoe.
The first pistol I ever owned was a S&W Sigma and I wish I’d just spent the extra money on something…anything…else.
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I don’t get how people think it’s S&W style. I’ve owned some FN’s and it’s more like the FNS and FN509. A lot more rigid than the M&P’s ever were.
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Thats correct. It doesnt follow the s&w trigger shoe pattern. FN509 and variants have the same trigger shoe. Dropping an agency or any other type of aftermarket fcg is where ur going to notice the bigger difference
I’ve tried some other triggers and I’d just keep the Dagger one in there. I’d put them in my OEM Glock’s too if I didn’t already shoot them well. That and mine is a Gen 5 so it wouldn’t work anyway.
The Dagger trigger is still head and shoulders above the CZ100 trigger…
The cz p10c trigger is sloppy garbage too. I like the trigger dont get me wrong but im wanting that tactical pontoon excommunicado or leonidas
I finally stopped hating my Dagger enough to look at it. When manually working the slide, it appears that the extractor does not always have a firm grip on the spent shell and falls off of the extractor before the ejector gets a chance to do its thing. My Glocks do not do this, ever. I have read that a Glock Gen5 extractor is a better option.
Will a Glock Gen4 extractor work? I am thinking about temporarily cannibalizing my gen4 for troubleshooting purposes.
I swapped the extractor, depressor, spring, and bearing from my Gen4 Glock 19 and put the Dagger parts in the the Glock. The Dagger seems to have somewhat improved when using Glock gen4 parts. The Glock with Dagger parts still seems 100% with regard to extraction and ejection. These observations were made with manual operation of the slide using snap caps.
If there is a Glock 19 Gen3 OEM part that doesn’t work in a Dagger, I have yet to find it.
The only part of my Dagger that isn’t Glock is the slide and lower. Every bit of the internals have been replaced, including the barrel.
And it isn’t because PSA’s stuff didn’t work. It was because Glock parts seemed to feel more comfortable to me. I just like how the gun behaves with Glock parts.
Yours must be out of spec then. I polished my Dagger extractor, including the inside of the claw that people say not to touch (done this on all of my Glock extractors, never an issue). My rounds stay put until they hit the ejector every time.
If you use a Gen 5 extractor, make sure you get the proper plunger and all those bits. The Gen 5’s are a Loaded Chamber Indicator one. Never closely compared the two so not sure if the G5’s will work in older guns, cause I know the extractor interacts with the safety plunger, and I know those are different as well.
EDIT: Gen 5 extractor works just fine. Though with that one, my rounds will fall straight out unless I rack it really hard. But that’s fine. Slowly cycling it isn’t how the gun works when being shot.
well if it worked with manual operation since you have the G4 parts in the dagger, i think you should take both theem to the range and proceed to attempt to put 400 -500 rounds through each pistol, to see if they are in fact trouble free… if they do, i would bet you just had a bad extractor in the dagger because of possibly manufacturing tolerances where its ok in one but not the other. … if the glock fails with the daggers extractor, we know it is in fact a bad one there.
to me that is counter productive… I bought the dagger for the price, and swapping everything to glock, not only stops it from being a true dagger, but increases the investment cost. now if something was not working i get it, sure put glock parts in it if you absolutely want to, however you have a lifetime warranty, so you could also take advantage of that.
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I admit that I bought my Dagger simply as a project build. I wanted to see if I had enough skill to put one all together myself. I even bought the Dagger lower stripped, back when they offered it. The slide I bought with no barrel because I knew I wanted a threaded match barrel.
Do I have a foolish amount of money in it? Sure do. But it’s a fun firearm to shoot and it isn’t bad to carry, reliable as heck.
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I understand about the Gen3 parts working in a Dagger. I do not own a Gen3 to cannibalize parts. I have already verified that the Gen4 extractor and associated parts seem to work. I have read that Gen5 extractors offer improved performance with regard to extraction.