I love PSA. I have been a loyal customer since 2015 and I have defended them against their detractors for many years. With that being said, my Dagger is a steaming pile of ■■■■ . I put 105 rounds through mine and I had 4 failures to eject and several failures of the slide to lock back on the last round. Ejection pattern was erratic. I used 7 genuine Glock mags in excellent condition. Each of the failures to eject occurred while using a different genuine Glock magazine. The ammo used was Winchester white box 115 grain and Hornady Critical Defense. Both failed. I know PSA will make it right but I could never trust it for any serious use. It will be a range toy.
BTW, I have been shooting Glocks and M&Ps for years. In thousands and thousands of rounds I have had exactly ZERO failures with M&P’s and exactly 2 failures with Glocks (probably due to defective ammo).
I’m not sure what would be causing the FTEs for the last round failure to lock back either, how did the pistol run on the Magpul magazine that it came with?
once PSA makes good on the pistols issues, and you are able to test it with 500 + rounds without a failure, would you still not trust it?
Mine has been running fine even with a small comp, and big RDS on it. The white box I tried was VERY underpowered compared to Fiocchi and Blazer ammo, so that won’t help your issues if it’s as weak as mine was. Hornady has been consistent last I tried it, not sure of the issue there.
Locking back can be the mags, I’ve had OEM mags fail over time too, but that’s not usually a gun issue. It can even be grip. I chop my slide locks in half because my grip makes them fail to lock open a lot. That or use a Ghost Bullet Forward Slide-release. Yes they can still feed fine but fail to lock open. I have a 6 year old PMAG that fails to lock open when firing or racking the slide, but feeds flawlessly. If they feed fine, I consider them good condition. I don’t need a gun to lock open. Not sure what you consider good condition, since you don’t say how old or how many rounds have been through the mags, or if they work in other Glocks or clones.
I’d recommend giving it some break in time. My FDE Dagger felt a little tight, but no function issues. Still, it has smoothed out over about 400 rounds so far, with a LOT of dry fire and slide racking. Also, try some grease on the gun, over oil. Maybe just a preference of mine but all my pistols felt smoother with grease.
Anything can have issues. They are machines, which can and do fail. They are also produced on machines that can have issues. We know people can fail too, so you have at least three layers that can potentially go wrong somewhere. Bigger brands with bigger price-tags have issues too.
FWIW, I too recently picked up a new dagger. I also had FTE and ejection to face issues first range trip.
when I got home I broke it down , cleaned , lubed and did a lot of dry fire , racking etc.
The next trip I ran about 100 rounds without any issues.
Yesterday was trip 3 and I ran another 100 rounds using 4 Magpuls and a glock mag , alt 15 rd. That was a mag of HP self def and the rest fmj alum blazer
Like trip 2 these all when down just fine ,
I am moving from irritated to pretty confident…
Aside that, it gets some nice results on the targets, good groups
I think I was using white box my first time for at least 3 of the magazines , 2nd and 3rd trip was blazer mostly , some brass and some alum
I just decided to use all Dagger internals just to see how well they do. Minus the ejector, as it’s a Gen3 clone and I despise their ejection pattern. Just Gen 3 things. Technically, my trigger housing is Glock OEM because my Dagger one has the ejector stuck in it. I could not get it out with all my weight on it. But the Dagger one has no functional difference, it just holds the parts.
I would just give it a little break in cause now that I think about it, my AR upper needed some as well. The nickel boron BCG was pretty rough tracking inside the receiver, and it didn’t want to run steel case very well. About 100 rounds in and the upper is smooth and reliable.
Thats sounds good but I bought a Dagger and unsure why I should replace everything to make it not a dagger–, dont get me wrong I get folks fixing things up and customizing but I prefer my firearms to works as designed and sold first…never had a Glock
It did not come with a PMAG. I bought the complete frame and complete slide separately. As for trusting it, who knows how I might feel about it in the future. Presently, I hate it.
You might be correct. However, my M&Ps and Glocks have never needed any break-in. I once took a brand new Glock out of the box, popped off the slide, checked for any barrel obstructions, took it to a class, and ran it for 4 days without cleaning it. All manufacturers make mistakes. Everyone else seems to think the Dagger is awesome. They may very well be. Mine is a sample of one.
My .02 ¢ Here was my experience with the dagger. You are more than likely right it is just a sample of one. I shot over 1,000 rounds through a dagger with no issues or malfunctions.
Definitely sample of one. I have two Daggers, and while the first one had an out of spec connector (happens even on OEM) a 1 minute replacement and I now have 1000 rounds split evenly between the two guns, with no issue.
My second Dagger has a perfect connector, but the ejector will NOT come out of the housing, which resulted in a puncture wound to my finger trying to get it out. The only one that would have actually caused issues is the first one. The factory ejectors work fine, just preference there. PSA would have warrantied the first issue, but I had a spare.
So PSA can definitely have some problems, but in my case they were very specific issues for the second Dagger, and the first one was an easy fix (which to be fair, the user shouldn’t have to do). I like to tinker so if I can get something done myself, I usually do. Saves me the wait time. Never had a malfunction since I found all the issues before shooting.
Anyway, stovepipe and fail to lock back and all that can be a lot of things. But slide velocity can be one of them. Just start doing slide manipulations and dry fire when you have time as well. That will help get everything broken in. I sit and play around with mine 100’s of times before it ever hits the range.
and just for clarity since you built this dagger you did buy the completed slide assembly from PSA and it is authentic dagger parts throughout it correct?
i would definately continue breaking it in… and letting us know how the range trips go
i would also not run it very wet. its glock clone, glocks dont like wet.
interesting you mention you bought the frame and slide separately,.
I bought mine that way as well. I read another post a guy had issues when he bought slide/frame as we did.
Mine is running better and better as I use it.
I also have had the last guns i bought , just worked out of box no issues,
2 PSA Rocks, Taurus tx-22, Keltek p17, all worked perfect.
I have a new frame in drawer for a Rock, I may have to put a slide on that and test it out since it was the combo slide deal I got the Dragger frame with.
I get that concept, Next purchase just buy a glock!
But I find that the first thing folks have told me is to buy glock parts to fix my issue…
It my seem silly to many but some of us buy a product and do NOT expect to FIX it with other brand parts. I KNOW we can and many do.
Cant help but think PSA would prefer the dagger to work as they sold it to me.
I also saw a post where warranty was denied to a buyer when He “took it apart” ,with that in mind I will stay with PSA parts and warranty,
Thanks for the help and take care
