*Any pistol or revolver in which the frame or receiver has a die casting of zinc alloy, which has the melting temperature of less than 1000 degrees F is non-compliant. *
Your order has been placed on hold, and will be automatically cancelled and refunded if not resolved in five business days of this email being sent.
I would be very curious to know the rationale behind such a policy. To my knowledge, everyone else ships Heritage to NY, and there are no laws or regulations on the books concerning this matter. This seems to be giving New Yorkers the short end of the stick without cause. Anyone know the story behind this policy? I really do not want my order cancelled.
A simple Google search returned this. They specifically mention melting point. Some guns with a specific metal makeup have a low melting point, and by simply firing the gun, the metal fatigues and weakens.
In New York, the Superintendent of State Police (Superintendent) is authorized to issue rules and regulations reasonably necessary to prevent the manufacture and assembly of unsafe handguns, short-barreled shotguns or rifles, and assault weapons.1 Pursuant to regulations promulgated by the Superintendent, a person who is engaged in the business of manufacturing or assembling handguns must obtain a certificate of compliance for each specific handgun model he or she wishes to manufacture or assemble in New York.2Certificates of compliance are granted subject to a prototype of the handgun passing a series of tests. If the handgun does not perform satisfactorily during the tests, the certificate will be revoked or suspended to allow the manufacturer to remedy the deficiency.3 The prototype must meet requirements based on materials and parts, and safe functioning.4
Material and parts requirements include:
• Basic structural component specifications including melting point and tensile strength; • An absence of cracks, bulges or splits in or on the barrel, chambers of the cylinder, slide, cylinder-frame and/or receiver after firing; • The existence of safety devices to prevent firing; • A specified amount of space between the barrel and cylinder in a revolver after firing; and • A specified chamber diameter.5
Safe functioning tests include:
• A proof test which includes visual examination of a cartridge after firing to ensure there are no splits or other defects; • An endurance test consisting of firing 1,000 rounds of ammunition and a test of the safety device after all firing is completed; and • A drop test, performed a total of five times after the endurance test is complete, to determine whether the safety device will withstand the impact of a weight equal to that of a firearm dropping from a distance of 36 inches.6
In addition, members of the state police must be permitted on any business day, during business hours, to inspect a manufacturer’s premises and records pertaining to the firearms manufactured or assembled within the premises.7 The purpose of such inspections is to ensure that the manufacture and assembly of firearms are being conducted in accordance with the certificate of compliance.8
All these easily googleable concerns and “issues” posted here and on other forums makes me realize that PSA’s hold times are so long because of people being too lazy to use the internet.
OP it’s NY giving its citizens the short end of the stick, not PSA.
NY Law basically prohibits “pot-metal” guns also known as “Saturday night special” gun prohibitions. Pot metal guns are made of cheaper materials which makes them more affordable. The king and his men can’t have the poors running around with the tools of freedom now can they?
This complaint needs to be escalated to your NY lawmakers; PSA is of course trying to follow the law.
I cant speak for a definitive reason as to why we will not ship these firearms to the State of New York, but I do know that some of the restrictions we have on certain states are due to how vague some laws are written. With so much gray area in some laws, we choose to err on the side of caution when making our policies. This allows us to make sure that we are within the laws of the states in question.
As a former resident of Finger Lakes region, I agree. If you could PM me a link to where you found this, I will pass it up on my end. I cant make any guarantees that we will change our policy on it, but I will make sure that the info gets passed on.
I have yet for someone to actually find me the law that prohibits these types of guns. If someone could actually quote me the law, I will shut my mouth, but as it stands now, this policy has no founding.
While that is more specific to a location, those are also Terms and Conditions for a different private company. I will still pass this info on. Thank you.
Ah, I found it. It is from the Giffords law center. They have no citations and are not a trustworthy source. They also mention no specific requirements, only generalities about melting point and tensile strength.
Normally I wouldn’t promote anything from Giffords…
What I was doing was demonstrating that within 15 seconds of reading your complaint, I already had information that leads to a likely reason why PSA wouldn’t ship the firearms in question to you.
The rest is up to you, your state, and PSA.
Personally, if I was in the firearms industry, I’d err on the side of caution as well, protecting my business.
Imagine the headlines.,… Firearms Company X knowingly shipping prohibited items into New York State.
I understand your frustration, and wanting to support certain companies. But you’ve already stated that you can buy them locally. I think that’s probably your easiest option.
I have retarded magazine restrictions to deal with, and it sucks when a gun only comes with mags that violate said laws.
To me the solution is simple, ship the firearm without the magazines. A lot of businesses refuse. Again, owners protecting their livelihood. I may not like it, but I can respect it and move on.
While you may believe it doesn’t apply I’m sure PSA’s lawyers said it’s easier to just not ship firearms that meet the criteria than to pay to challenge that law. PSA is covering their ass due to the vague laws in your state. If NY goes after PSA their lawyer fees will be more than the profits they get from selling a few rough riders in NY. They’re also not the only online seller not shipping rough riders to NY.
In the end they can decide to not sell anything to NY, that’s their right as a private business.
"While you may believe it doesn’t apply I’m sure PSA’s lawyers said it’s easier to just not ship firearms that meet the criteria than to pay to challenge that law. PSA is covering their ass due to the vague laws in your state. If NY goes after PSA their lawyer fees will be more than the profits they get from selling a few rough riders in NY. They’re also not the only online seller not shipping rough riders to NY.
In the end they can decide to not sell anything to NY, that’s their right as a private business."
