Suppressor questions / Help me pick

General Discussion
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Thinking about taking the plunge. My shop says this is easy and they do it all the time. They use a lawyer in town that’s local to them for the trust and he’s a firearms laywer (she said it’s a plus to know and be associated with a firearm lawyer, so win/win. Idk).

My shop is an hour drive there and another hour back. Plus browsing or shooting, waiting to talk to their in house can person and other customers and activities going on in the shop, etc and so forth. MANY times I get very little time to focus on this subject with them. Someday I need to just drive there and do nothing but go over cans with them. So I appreciate any help from you guys.

First:

Can someone explain this for a dummy.

THE BENEFITS OF A TRADITIONAL NFA GUN TRUST INCLUDE:

• One-time purchase for all NFA items on one trust

Second:

This is what I want to be able to suppress.

5.56 AR rifles and pistols 7.5" to 20"
5.7 Rock Pistol
9mm Daggers
9mm AR rifle 16"
9mm AK-V
7.62 AK rifle
7.62 AK-p

What do you recommend for the above? 3 cans? 22, 9, 30 cals? I’m still not sure if 1 suppressor can swap pistons for all of those firearms above?

This is what they recommend from low to high quality.

“OSS”
"Thunder beat
“Dead air”
“Rugged”
“Q”
“Sig Sauer”

I do understand they are salesmen in addition to my info provider. I mentioned the Obsidian 9 and she didn’t seem to want to talk about that one (although one was sitting in the case). So I’d love info from ya’ll to cross reference what I get from them.

Also she said be very careful of online companies and most have shady paperwork and you can easily get in hot water. She said there is only one company she would deal with on the internet, but of course she didn’t want to tell me who it was lol. Again, they are salesmen

I truly appreciate anything guys.

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@SuperPredator has lots of experience with cans.

I can answer the following:

Do a trust. Buy through Capitol Armory or SilencerShop (find a dealer with a kiosk that does digital prints). Capital Armory may even be able to ship to your door.

But most importantly READ.

I have an obisidian 9. Its great on my dagger. It is not rated for the 5.7 Rock. Most .22 cans are.

I personally went in this order:

.30 cal rifle can
.45 pistol can
5.56 rifle can
9mm pistol can

You most of the time can shoot a smaller caliber (like 5.56 out of a 7.62 can or 9mm out of a .45 can).

Pistol can you can get different boosters to match thread pitch. Rifle cans you get different muzzle devices (unless direct thread).

I have 2 YHM (.30 cal and .45) cans that i really like. They are cheaper and a little heavier, but they suppress well.

With what you want to suppress you are looking at a minimum of 3 cans (a .30 cal for the AKs and AR, a 9mm for dagger and a .22 for 5.7).

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I wouldn’t bother with a trust. 41F really took the benefit of having one away. IMHO it’s an unnecessary added expense and paperwork burden these days. I’ve never felt limited by not having a trust. But then I’m the only one using the NFA items and everyone’s intended use case for their own NFA will certainly vary from person to person.

As far as brands go, I mostly went the Silencerco route early on. The FFL I used at the time had several models in stock at reasonable prices. The benefit of having the same OEM was in the cost savings of not having to buy a bunch of different mounts and thread adapters. I did eventually branch out and buy other brands -among them the Sig SRD line stands out as exceptional.

I’ve only ever had one issue requiring a can be sent in for service. That was with one of the Sigs that had a poorly machined end cap. I destroyed the plastic tool they give you trying to remove it and had to send it in before getting to use it. On the positive, Sig CS was easy to deal with and they had it turned around in 2-3 weeks -sent a new tool and everything.

Interesting… I went in this very order as well. After 9mm pistol I got into 22LR. From there I felt I had all the bases covered.

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I dont have a .45 and dont plan on getting one. But I cant believe I forgot about my 10/22.

Why wouldn’t the same can work for 5.56 and 5.7? Is it just because the size needed to quite down the 5.56 would make it too big for the 5.7 and hinder its operation?

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I would say this much if only you plan on using the cans purchase as an individual. BUT if you plan on having family use them as well without your supervision do a trust. Mine has my immediate family on it so my brother and pops can use them when they go hunting or to the range and I don’t have to be there. 30 Cal cans are going to be the most popular right now as they cover most AR/AK rifle calibers. I would say get a good multi cal 45 can and multi cal 30 can and you will be set for most guns.

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One important question I forgot.

Say I own several silencers. What happens if/when I die? I would imagine someone (thw wife lol) is left with these questionable items and no clue what to legally do with them? Does someone call the ATF and say “Hey, he got ran over by a bus, do you want to come get this stuff?” :thinking:

:rofl:

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Pressure issues. That is why i said you need to read. Cans are rated for specific calibers.

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Thats why you get a trust…

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Get a trust if you plan to have multiple items. I was in the same boat as you, and have my wife on the trust and will add my son when he’s old enough. My wife enjoys shooting also. Eventually everything will go to my son. Just makes it much easier.

I have 4 items in NFA jail right now:
Dead air Sandman S for my .300 Blk/5.56 guns (bullet proof, multi-use can)
YHM Turbo T2 (dedicated 5.56 SBR can)
YHM R9 (dedicated CZ Scorpion can)
SBR application pending also.

These made the most sense for me based on my research and current inventory of guns.

I plan to add a 9mm can for my 9mm pistols eventually. Obviously, I got bit by the NFA bug…the trust was well with the $60.

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Have a plan. Know the law.

This document has the answer you’re looking for straight from the horses mouth. Except from therein…

The firearms may be transferred on a tax-exempt basis to a lawful heir.

I’m not a Trust guy so others will have to advise on how that side of the house works. I assume it’s just as easy, if not moreso since the Trust “owns” the items. Generally speaking, a lot of people fret about this subject, but it’s very straightforward. Just do yourself (or rather your wife) a huge favor by having your plan well established, documented, and communicated prior to your demise.

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I’m just waiting for KS to pass the NFA freedom law and win that lawsuit against the feds like TX is doing.

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I’ve been waiting on a 5.56 now 11 months. I had to do the paper snail mail application just before they opened back up the online option.

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They the only states doing that?

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KS hasn’t passed it yet because they are waiting on how the TX case is going. I think TN has passed a freedom law.

Quick correction: Ks already has an NFA freedom law, but Derek Schmidt hasn’t sued to defend it like Paxton did in TX.

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I have a couple and use a shop that has a Silencer Shop kiosk. I bought the single-shot trust at the same time to add my sons. It could not have been easier and they honor Silencer Shop prices which are usually some of the lowest around.

I waited 14 months for one and 13 months for the other. This was before e-filing.

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At this point with the current law, the ONLY thing a trust will do is allow multiple people to use the same suppressor(s). For instance, I have my daughters on my trust and this would allow one of them to take one of the suppressors out of state to hunt without me being with the suppressor. Otherwise, the owner must be with the suppressor at all times. The down side is that every one of the persons on the trust must be fingerprinted and sent in on every single purchase of a suppressor each time. As a firearms attorney, I have drafted exactly one (1) trust since the change in the law. Prior to that time I was doing several a month. No one wants to mess with having to fingerprint five people each time you want to purchase a new suppressor. Every single time I explain this every client, except the one, simply says, “Heck, it’s easier just to give them the money to buy their own suppressor.” My, answer, yes, it is. Trusts are fairly worthless at this point.

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I amended my original trust to remove my wife and kids when things changed. I amended it back and added them back after i received my last can.

Keep in mind it is not the ATF’s job to scrutinize how your trust is written.

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I have an OSS and a Dead-air.

The Dead Air is lighter, but it seems to affect ballistics a little bit.

The Zero constantly needs adjusting at 300.

That’s using a threaded 5/8-24 mating surface.

It is possible that it is the scope reticle shifting.

Was thinking about one of these. Was $1135, now they’re $1290.

https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/ultra-9

For a first suppressor I think it’s best to get a larger diameter. i.e. don’t start with 6.5 since you might want to use it on a 308.

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Check out LaRue Tactical Tranquilo suppressors. I really like the engineering in their cans. The can be ordered in 5.56 or .308. The reduced ejection port gas reduction is nice with less gas traveling back to the BCG.

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I like LaRue also, but not his can. I have a friend with one and its the loudest can he has.