Tisas has just released this at Shot Show.
This is an Economical attempt at replicating the Colt M45A1 in 45ACP of course
MSRP is $759.99
I have every confidence this will trounce my Girsan MC 1911S
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im not sure i would bite on an 800.00 tisas regardless of how it looks.
I have Zero intentions of paying even $750 as MSRP is the High End of the insanity spectrum.
I won’t get into paying a High Retail Price then added Shipping and FFL Fee’s. Thats a Non-Starter.
The Shop I buy from usually buys in Lots from their Tisas, Girsan and RIA Distributors. I’m asking they make one of these part of that…if you dont ask? You don’t get
My Shop guys can either get it in Right? , or they can keep it. I’m relatively confident that this can happen. The owner of the shop told me years ago… for every One Thousand Dollar pistol he sells, He sells 25 others at $300 to $650. The longevity of his business speaks volumes as to his knowledge of the marketplace. The vast majority of his High End offerings are usually Trade Ins or incredible speculative purchases that don’t favor the seller.
I have No shortage of Quality Gun Shops close to me. I’m no stranger to any of them. All seem to appreciate my business, so one way or another, I get what I want at a price I’m willing to reasonably pay.
We shall see what happens?
Tisas has thus far earned my trust. I’m pretty well done with Girsan on the other hand.
I would by that at 499 maybe. its a damn good looking gun.
So you are offering $30 above the price of their basic 1911 Military Clone for their Newest High End offering?
I dont think you’ll be pulling that off anytime soon , in any acceptable condition .
last i saw of TSIS they were 399 for their guns… so i may be out of touch with their current pricing, but at 800 or 700 they are in the range of kimber and springfield, and honestly i would buy one of those before i ever bought a tisas.
We differ again.
When Kimber" Sold Out" and name moved to NY State , they lost me with their Gucci Guns. You are more than welcome to my share of them.
I have to laugh though. You are all about Blind full throated defense of everything PSA , no matter what’s said to the countless contrary . Yet you belittle a Forged well made 1911 from Turkey that you possibly have no experience with?
My dealings with Tisas have been above board thus far… my dealings with Girsan ? I cant say the same.
I have No loyalties when it comes to Not getting the results I’m promised from any brand.
I can say with certainty an equally outfitted Springfield Armory Operator will cost at least $1,100.00 retail , possibly more? Then all the add on fees where applicable.
I’ll be glad to let you know how they compare when the Tisas Raider shows up.
i think you may have the wrong impression on me. Im not blind full out defense of everything. if its wrong i’ll stand up iwth everyone and say it is… what gets me going though is folks who do this, and wont give them a chance to fix the issue. thats when i get going real bad. I have a very close relationship with PSA and many of the folks who work/own it, so yeah i tend to be a bit defensive when it comes to certain things. That said, with our talking here, i have felt you out enough to realize that you arent one of those who would not give the benifit of the doubt, and wouldnt be one of those who would be impatient when things were trying to be fixed etc. (basically you’re not a Karen) I used to get beat up pretty good on arfcom for trying to help PSA out in their forum there, even though i am not an employee, so i can be defensive at times when it comes to criticizing or negative posting towards them. I hope that explains a bit more where im coming from to you.
as ofr Tisis, yea i have no first hand experience with either them or Girsan, which i had believed were either owned by the same company or were sister companies or what not, and the early reviews i had read when they first were coming out was not that favorable. lets face it, usually a sub 500 dollar 1911 is not one you want to trust your life to, especially in todays market where the dollar doesnt go as far as it used to. Girsan and Tisas being knock off producers makes me think they’re in the same boat as taurus was/is in and i dont trust taurus any further than i could throw them either. Your reviews/posts about Tisas has begun to make me think i should give them a try which is why i was interested in the m45 look alike, but again, i cant see spending that much money on a turkish clone…
I do not have that much timeline experience with kimber. the two i have i like well enough, and they were not cheap, and really i think i only really want one or two other kimbers… The TLE II /TLE IIRL and the ECLIPSE II… they’re much better now they are using stainless barrels in all their firearms.
I dont know about them selling out and moving to ny state, that was before my time… perhaps you can enlighten me.
im glad Tisas has been good for you… what is wrong / has been wrong with Girsan to you?
youre right about the prices of the springfield, although with their new naming structure im not sure what things are going for now. all mine are pre this new naming system.
please do let me know about the Raider… im interested in it as i said, i just am not so sure about the price being that high.
Steve,
I think I have you figured out pretty well… without being a wise guy in saying so.
I get loyalty. I’m protective of what I believe in too…but I Do Not sell my integrity out publically , privately or professionally for any reason. Real or Imagined.
The Stg44 is an interesting project and it was from it’s infancy. I just know with 100% certainty that Nothing ever goes as originally planned once it reaches the public. PSA as much as I like them and the corporate concept , still lags in QC and Customer Service… the trail of woe is long and hardly distinguished.
Myself. To date I’ve had One issue with PSA and that regarded an A2 Barrel that I needed to get a Flat Top Upper off of to install a real A2 Fixed carry handle Upper on.
The Barrel Nut was Cross Threaded and Void of any Grease… much less a MilSpec Aeroshell that’s called for. PSA dropped my complaint as they don’t honor anything taken apart…question is. How in the yodeling dog ■■■■would I have discovered this any other way? I moved on.
I own 52 AR’s . Not a one a Gucci Gun in any Monochromatic form. I despise that crap in thought word and deed.
I own 5 real Colts, many others with Colt or FN Uppers or Barrels… but PSA Government Property Lowers dominate my collection with corresponding Uppers to include the most modern examples.
I refuse to pay DD or Geiselle Premium Complete prices for Receivers, with their silly logo’s on them.
ArfCom…a collection of ■■■Holes all out to One Up or trounce anyone not in Lock Step favor of the party line. Does this sound familiar to a lessor degree? I call a Spade a Spade in card terms.
Tisas. So far a damn well made brand that has lived up to or surpassed my expectations. Pricing is right where it should be with Girsan and RIA to the south and SA pricing to the north of them.
Girsan. As previously stated…disappointed in the alterations made to the Slide and Barrel Block fitment. Tell me this wasn’t by design and I’ll tell you that you are bat ■■■■crazy.
I own an Original Beretta 92 with the Safety on the Frame. This design along with a complete factory with employees was sold to Taurus when the 92 Design in the Gardone Valley took a new direction with the S, SB , F and later FS.
I own one Taurus just for grins and giggles, as well as a .45 Replica. Both from the same previous owner and all but stolen. They work well but I’m a Beretta Guy when comparing designs and materials. Same goes for the Girsan and an inferior Barrel on two weapons and I have my suspicions on there Heat Treatment of certain High Stress areas too.
Kimber. Started out in Oregon or Washington State and built one hell of a reputation. Kimber sold the name and intellectual properties to NY State based group and largely live off a name and building some great stuff…and some Chick guns that just sicken me…if I want something in Sea Foam Green and polished metal ,? I’ll buy a 1957 Chevy Bel Air , not a 1911 from some pimps wildest hallucinations.
BTW. I have spoken with Josiah a few times on varying subjects and I find him and his brothers persona to be that of most equitable and honorable men…and if they came and asked me to drive down to Columbia and help I would…it would however have to be clear that I speak truth to power without hesitation or remorse.
Again . I Hope this Stg44 thing is the greatest thing since Gun Powder…but until it reaches the Court of Public Opionion and PSA proves their metal on supporting it? I’m going to be apprehensive even if I order the 1st available one.
Regards,
Allen
allen,
what is funny here is your name, is my middle name. heh… small world.
Perhaps you do perhaps you dont, only time will tell if you do have me figured out or not.
I really hope you werent saying that I sell my integrity out in any manner, because i do not. Period.
I disagree regarding things going as planned when it reaches the public. there are many companies that release things many times they go perfectly as planned. I’m not saying that all things do, but there are many things that do go as planned, and many times things at PSA DO go as planned. Im not saying all things do, but to say all of PSA’s releases have not gone as planned is a bit crazy. PSA is way too big now to say that, and they release way too many things to say that all are going wrong.
like i said , i didnt know of or follow the STG project when it was under the flag of the original company. I will bet that the release under the PSA banner will go much smoother. Will it be without issue? time will tell… am i wishing it will go without issue, yes of course. I am also hoping that PSA’s QC has been worked on as theyve been releasing things, and from the insight i have and what ive been shown and told, it has. Is it perfect, probably not. Just like the customer service. It is not perfect, but i guarantee it is much better than it was back in 2012. of course theyre much larger than they were back then too.
to date, i’ve had 0 issues with any of the firearms i’ve purchased from PSA. this includes problems with parts kits as well as complete firearms. maybe im an anomaly… but you know the saying, only the squeeky wheel gets the grease, and folks that have no problems tend not to talk about things much… where as the one who has a problem, well they raise hell usually… my point being theres a hell of a lot less problems than there are successes, and the successes just dont get noticed cause they arent always yelling about it.
I get your issue about the barrel nut, but did the rifle function before you took it apart without issue? or did it fail, and you took it apart to see why instead of sending it back to PSA first to use their lifetime warranty? I dont blame them for not honoring it since you took it apart.
that is quite a holy hell ton of ar’s. you could retire by selling them to a small caribbean island somewhere lol i’d be a kid in a candy store to be in your safe(s) with you…
that is cool about the colt and FN uppers or barrels. I love FN because they’re built here 30 minutes from my house. i’ve toured their factory as well and own many of their products because i am such a big fan of thiers. I will continue to be one of theirs… Colt is just ok to me, I like their 1911s and some of their revolvers, but honestly Its like the gucci guns thing, you’re paying for a name in my book for colts, and theres pleanty of others out there that are just as good if not better in the AR world., and from what you said about building yours you’d agree that the ones you build are better than anything they produce… such is my feeling there as well.
I’d only buy a DD or Geiselle if i got an incredibly good deal on their gun… Employee price on things like that is amazing usually and that is the way to go if you work at a shop that lets you do that sort of thing.
Arf can be that a lot. I stay out of general for that reason usually and stick to my state area, and PSA industry forums usually. sometimes the EE is beneficial too thankfully. but yeah, alot of it does sound familiar to Arf users for sure. but as big as they are, its hard for them im sure to keep that from happening. Us moderators here try to keep things from being like that as much as possible as we’re trying to run a clean family friendly forum that reflects upon the Mccallum family as well as JJE and its companies PSA and sisters. I think we do a pretty good job here moderating our topics to be that way.
so is Girsan not related to Tisas in any form? im glad that its doing well for you so far. the more good i hear about them the more likely i am to purchase one, but then again im also figuring that i’ve bought enough low end 1911s and need to increase the quality in higher end 1911s in my collection.
It’s hard to not be a fan of beretta when they’re the worlds oldest firearm company. 
ROTFL about y our description on Kimber and 57 chevys… i love it. but didnt know they were from the west coast originally.
I cannot speak highly enough on Josiah & Jamin. both men are top notch men, who have supported me in some of my darkest times, just as PSA has as well. I consider them not just employees/owners/founders of PSA but personal friends. If there is ever anything i can do for them I would drop what im doing in an instant to do so. you are very correct about them being equitable and honorable men. I will not go into any more details but suffice to say that i cannot speak highly enough of them.
I understand your position on the STG44 for psa, and that is your perogitive… but if ATI can do one in .22, psa can take the ones already developed and begin mass production im pretty sure without too much issue. Or so i hope. I dont know for sure if they are taking one already developed or not, but from what i saw on that second video it would appear that way to me some since that one dude from the last company is now working for PSA.
anyways, its been great getting to know you more, and having our chat… we should probalby take most of it next time to private message from here on out though and return the topics to their topic.
so to do that, getting back to the Tisas Raider, I really like how it looks, i would have to handle one to see how the fit and finish is on them, and also to see what the actual sale price is at a store to see if i would really want to jump into one or not.
Just to clear up a popular misconception. Girsan and Tisas are two separate Corporations with seperate Importers into the USA
Girsan is… .located in Giresun,Turkey , they are Imported by EAA
Tisas is located in Trabzon , Turkey. They are Imported by SDS
Watching a video of the Tisas ( pronounced Tee-Sash ) is about like looking at a PSA video…state of art machinery, just the women operating it have darker and thicker eyebrows and mustaches over there. 
On the AR Upper issue. The Upper was purchased by design as a Complete Unit as I got a better deal by buying it complete…and would have a Flat Top Receiver and other spares leftover once the Swap to an A2 Receiver was made. The barrel was my focus. All the rest was gravy.
You see. Nothing goes to waste at my little shop of horrors. I didnt get to 52 AR’s by accident.
I store everything for inventory and future project purposes. I’m mentally building the next as I assemble the current one.
No…it was Never fired and that has Zero bearing on the issue at hand. Fired or Un-Fired it was assembled incorrectly and improperly by a baboon . Fresh disassembly led to Discovery.
I called PSA looking for nothing , as I can read their rules all by myself. My contacting them was to alert them to an assembly problem in their product line. That and nothing more. I regretted it from Hello.
I swear. You guys swing at pitches that arent even being thrown. God help you if I started throwing punches…playing Defense so often is effecting the ability to reason at times I fear.
Word Salad is Not an Answer or a Defense , its a deflection of truths being presented that are not defensible. Sometines a simple We Screwed Up goes a long way, it has to work better than turning the blame back to the Customer as tried too often from what I read.
Yes. The world is full of people looking to getover on somebody. I’m not that guy. Ive got all I need the hard way. I earned it.
I need one of those in my life.
Has anyone seen one available for sale yet?
.Guns.com
$629.99
23.98 shipping
50.40 Bama tax Rucking
25.00 FFL
$730 out the door
I’m going to wait because I know someone else will have it without paying tax or shipping later on.
I’ll be a buyer around $650ish.
I might need two.
@fastford196928
Well gang…I contacted Tisas On Line regarding availability of this pistol.
They quickly sent a typical response with a list of their authorized distributors. Very Non-Commital .
I went down the list One by One with Zero hits. Finally I searched Bud’s and scored one for $654.00 … the last one on the list.
I’m having it sent to an FFL whom told me last week what He couldn’t do and went further questioning me on if it was even being produced?
I told this knucklehead from the Get Go that Tisas has just released it to the public the day before at Shot Show 2023. I get a " Ive heard that before " response.
This isn’t the 1st time I’ve gotten a response from this retailer like this…but after this pistol arrives and I take receipt of it, it will be the last.
This one? I couldn’t get an online search for the Raider. If you can send the link or address. Thanks
No Sir…it was the Raider in FDE.
Bud’s was the only one that had it. I went back and looked after I placed my order…they showed being Out of Stock.
Got it thanks.
