you’d be surprised at the cost of things that are shipped through these shippers. I get a package 1 time a month that is worht 25000.00 alone… I dont pay that, but my insurance sure does… and yes i have to sign for it. the odd thing is my guy at fedex knows me now because of that package. but when hes out whomever is running his route doesnt give af so anyone could sign, or no one at all… as ive had them leave it inbetween my screen door and my hbouse door… with no signature.
so it depends on who the driver is and if hes/shes a regular for that route and takes pride in their route or not.
Don’t worry Jammo – I’ve got plenty of Cheetos and I’ll keep them coming.
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No, I have to dispute that. This is NOT out of the realm of possibility for most folks. People make decisions in life to spend a LOT more than $20,000 on discretionary items – the issue is that how you decide to spend your money is different from how someone else decides to spend their money and then when you can’t fathom how they spend their money you turn into the Tripping Chihuahua. Then you write hyperbolic posts that lambast the other guy to create class envy. Unfortunately class envy posts always lead to a really bad outcome:
I know lots of guys who drive decked-out pickup trucks. I wouldn’t be surprised if many people reading this fit into the demographic of expensive truck owners. Today new pickup truck or SUV can cost multiple times the amount of money we’re talking about. A new truck can easily cost $55,000 and a 2023 Suburban is $77,500.
Everyone makes decisions that govern their life. Many people choose to make payments on a new $50,000-$75,000 pickup truck or SUV. Those people don’t need something like that – it’s not essential to life and alternative choices can be made – but it makes them happy. So they blow a lot of money on an expensive rig, and some guy looks at them and says, “That is not a reality for most folks.” It’s all a matter of perspective.
Then there’s the issue of non-discretionary purchases. Healthcare is expensive. It’s not at all uncommon for people to be on prescription drug regimens that cost $250,000 per year. Those packages easily cost $20,000 per month.
The problem is one of individual perception. It is not true that most people are never involved in these levels of transactions – the problem is that because you don’t have experience with these sorts of shipments you have to assume that they are abnormal.
I do appreciate the hyperbole. That was funny. I guess your intent was to be funny but not to be earnest, as you seem to be convinced that having a $20,000 parcel shipped to you is something out of the ordinary. As @GamecockOperator has mentioned, these companies deal with highly valuable packages all the time. The drivers are prepared – they even have forms to hand to you when you complain about their insecure policies.
Your post seems to have been written for comedic effect, as you appear to have deliberately ignored the existing comments about the driver’s license scans which have been mentioned in the thread more than once; you’ve deliberately ignored the terms of the adult signature contract which were clearly spelled out; you made funny comments about butlers and security details; and you made comments falsely alleging that I am too cheap to buy a $99 security camera. So it’s evident that you’re about posting for Cheetos and you’re not posting in earnest. I’m keeping this an earnest discussion as I type this from Mommy’s Basement.
When the package gets valuable enough FedEx won’t hand it over until they scan the barcode on the back of your license. UPS just forges your signature. That’s a problem.
Your detachment from the situation demonstrates that you don’t collect rare and valuable items and you’ve never shipped a stock certificate. I won’t speculate about your individual financial situation, but I will say that I hope that someday you’ll be successful enough to be able to spend discretionary income to buy some really interesting gear and have these sorts of problems. That seems to be getting harder and harder for people in America these days, as the system is structured to keep everyone living from check to check in order to control them.
UPS used to offer a chain of custody service much like registered mail. When you shipped a machinegun by UPS one of the UPS personnel had to be in constant possession of the package until it was delivered. When they missed a delivery and it had to be returned to the UPS office, they’d call you to come and get it. Then you’d go to the UPS office to pick it up everyone would be relieved, because one person had been spending all day holding onto your package and they were tired of it. If you couldn’t make it that day then someone had to sit with the package overnight in the office. I don’t think UPS takes their responsibility so seriously any more.
I get a monthly shipment worth $600. Luckily, it comes via some courier. No uniforms, no company vehicles, yet they’re always polite, they knock, and the package always comes the day it is promised.
This thread reminds me why I don’t participate in threads too often…some wise guy (not unlike myself) responds to a post in jest and it pisses someone off…and then the rest of the folks fuel the fire so they can sit pack and munch on popcorn and cheetos.
Anyway…
Did MK actually have a $20,000 package disappear or is this a hypothetical and the fact the UPS (and everyone else) is fraudulently signing for packages as part of their standard practice?
This happens nearly every single day at my office when the UPS guy drops a package in our front office and just puts my name in the box because he knows I am the recipient and he knows my name. Now this is a business office and not my home, and my packages are NOT worth $20k, (nor require adult signature) and the driver delivers here 2-3 days a week, but the whole tracking and verifying a delivery through UPS is a joke because same thing happens when we ship packages and then go to verify they were delivered.
Sadly, this is the state of things today. Amazon is no better with their photo verified delivery
I get MK’s point about the lack of service and the fraud, etc, but what’s the solution? I have to use UPS for shipping and receiving packages. Although, I personally would be uncomfortable shipping/receiving a $20k item through UPS
What ARE you receiving regularly worth $20k anyway? Just curious.
I did purchase $8k worth of silver coins once and received through FedEx. The package was insured, and They DID actually require a signature for the package, but I was nervous about it. I wondered what steps the seller would take for $100k worth of gold.
But to answer the original question…YES, UPS driver fakes my signature every day, and even on packages that REQUIRE an adult signature. I order boxes of ammo on occasion and UPS has even left it outside our door if nobody was here. We are in a mixed use retail storefront/warehouse type building BTW. Anyone could have picked up the package and walked off with it. I honestly wonder how many UPS drivers get free ammo for themselves or sell it to each other off their trucks.
I can’t imagine having to actually deal with a “lost” $20k item.
No worries. I accept something that strikes me as out of touch with respect to “most folks” can and will be viewed as routine and typical by others.
No problem. Many of your “griping sort of public service announcement” threads could benefit from a little levity.
Be careful. Don’t take that bait. It’s not what the OP is talking about.
I suspect the same, however this thread correlated frequent $20,000 dollar mail order purchases with “discretionary” spending. Medication is not “discretionary” and thus not germane to the conversation at hand. But for the sake of conjecture, I hope anyone in that situation has some form of health insurance and are not exposed to nor bearing the entire cost burden for said medication individually.
It’s all good. I was branded a smart a$$ at a very early age. If for nothing else it’s made me resilient. It feels good to have a fellow “wise guy” around who actually gets it…
Our driver said they were told to do that during the Covid pandemic but i think he has stopped doing it now. I believe USPS had an option to instruct them to do that. As long as they leave my stuff on the porch I couldn’t care less but i live in the middle of the woods with an 800’ driveway and the nearest neighbor quarter mile away.
So I received three boxes of ammo today
One via UPS and the driver came in and asked for me…then said he didn’t need a signature, but “I got your ammo - where do you want it”. (500 rds AAC 300BO 150gr from PSA with FREE shipping)
The FedEx guy (or gal) just left two ammo boxes just inside the front door. No howdy or hello, just drop and run. (these were 1000 rd case of 9mm and 500 rds Hornady 5.56 68grBTHP) on sale at Natchez - also FREE shipping
So $521 of ammo left by FedEx
Last week FedEx left 8lb of powder (CFE BLK) inside the front door - no signature.
Now, I DO have a note inside the front door on a shelf as you walk in that says:
Deliveries may leave packages here. If it requires a signature - come to the back and yell for me.
So the UPS guy DID do this (at least came in and yelled for me). The FedEx guy…no.
Not sure if I am bothered by this because I did leave instruction to drop and they DO come here at least weakly, but still…if the SHIPPER requires a signature - they certainly aren’t getting one…at least not a real one. The note giving okay to leave packages is not signed BTW, nor does it have my name on it.
well, without knowing the shipper’s requirements for each package, anecdotal experiences can’t tell us much.
My experience is that PSA and Natchez don’t require signatures for ammo, so I’m not sure what your experience tells us. it would depend on the requirements of the shipper for your specific packages – without that specific information for your shipment any general observations of behavior by delivery drivers doesn’t allow us to reach firm conclusions.
the shipping contracts do have clear provisions to deal with waiver of signature by the recipient. if you leave a note that gives any delivery instructions of any kind, like “yell in back”, “Give to Neighbor”, “leave on back porch”, etc. then you’ve waived your right to restricted delivery and signature insurance. I think they are willing to assume that it’s your note with an implied signature, because who else could have written it? Knowing that UPS is willing to forge your signature it is hard to imagine that they care if you sign your note or not. They’re just going to do whatever they want to do.
my sign says “No Signature Waiver Permitted. Ring Bell To Obtain Delivery Signature.” It has no effect on the UPS guys, but the FedEx guy rings to obtain a signature.
Had a ammo delivery today. The shipper (not PSA) required a adult signature. FedEx brought it to my front door and asked for my dob and signature. I try to avoid UPS. My .02
