Brass hitting me in head when ejecting

No More Brassface! :crazy_face:

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Glad to hear it

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That’s what I’m hoping. I was at the range this morning and I had the brass launching all over. Some in front, some to the side and some landing right on my hat!

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Did you happen to take any pics ??

No, sorry I didn’t. But honestly, it’s very easy. You will need a 1/8" roll pin punch. I needed a .050 pin punch also to get the ejector started out of the housing on the Dagger. I was lucky that I had one. Definitely gotta thank @dschwartz002 for posting the part # for the ejector. That was a big help. :+1:

just got back from the range. I had 3 different loads to do a quick test on.

1- 124gr JHP. I shot 10 rounds, the first 3 landed about 3 feet away at 4 o’clock, I was all smiles but then the rest went straight out in front of me about 6 feet landing in a 2ft circle.

2- 125gr LRN. I shot 20 rounds. All went out in front of me 4-8 feet except 2 that landed at 4 o’clock.

3- 108gr Norma MHP. 5 rounds cuz that was all I had. They all just sort of flopped out of the pistol about a foot to the right.

Nothing came back and hit me on the head so I am counting that as a plus. Didn’t have time to do any more testing today so that’s what I got so far.

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Those Norma didn’t eject strongly because there wasn’t enough “excess” energy imparted to the slide to drive it back solidly into the Ejector.

These pistols are Recoil Operated - that’s why it’s Important to have a firm-enough wrist and grip; so YOU don’t absorb so much recoil that the pistol doesn’t cycle properly.

If the load is too light for the recoil spring (or spring and weight of the slide, friction, etc), that can also cause cycling issues. (like the above Norma rounds)

You can also see how consistency of the ammunition (and you!) affects where the spent cartridges land.

It’s easier to remove an ejector with a small flat blade screw driver.

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Couldn’t agree with you more, when i shoot my Dagger its a consistent ejection pattern. If i were to let someone else shoot it i am positive it would change.

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yes, I figured that on the Norma and I also figured the first 3 shots were more like fouling shots. I load the JHP and LRN to have similar speeds so I sort of figured they would act similarly, that’s why I tossed in the Norma MHP rounds. From what I saw, they were pretty consistently throwing cases to the front.

@dschwartz002 , tried a small screwdriver, that ejector didn’t want to come out without a little extra. Once it got started it came out ok. The Glock part slid in easier.

I’m just reporting what I find in case anyone else is having this same issue of getting beaned by hot cases and wasn’t sure if this might help. It might.

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Definitely a big help thanks alot!!!

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I’m having this issue as well. It’s a new Dagger, and has ejected brass straight into my face right out of the box. Why would I want to pay for a different ejector instead of sending it back and having PSA fix it for free?

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I changed mine with a gen 5 extractor an never looked back best thing I’ve done to it !!!

The Dagger is a Gen3 Glock for all practical mechanical purposes. Glocks are notorious for Brass To Face (so much so that "BTF "is a common slang used on Glock forums, as in “the BTF on my pistol is driving me crazy, how can i fix it?”).

It is caused by the interactions between grip, recoil spring rate, and how hot (or not) the ammo is, and can also be affected by different extractors or ejectors. Change one of the variables, and it should solve the situation. If it’s a brand new gun, I’d run 200-300 round through it first, as the spring rate on the recoil spring breaks in, it will probably go away on it’s own.

In the Glock world, the most common fix is to replace the ejector with part #47021 (note - part # was corrected in edit), which increases the surface area of where the ejector impacts the brass and adds an angle to provide some direction to the ejection. You can buy one for about $12 on fleeBay, and I presume should fit in a Dagger just fine.

Back to BTF as a thing - Glock has been working on eliminating it for years, and finally seem to have done so as of later model Gen5’s that have the breach face cut-out in addition to the extractor. Those will huck brass with enough force to leave bruises on anyone standing to your right that gets hit by the brass.

I had my Dagger at the range a few days ago. Put a box through and had one case go forward, one bean me on the hat but the rest made a pile about 2 ft to my 4 o’clock. This was with FMJ reloads. My Tek coated reloads still like to eject forward.

Interesting to read this , my new dagger compact brass was hitting my cap and head my first time out with it. Found one in my front shirt pocket.
also had many stove pipes, and ejection issues. used 150 rounds of 3 brands of fmj , Blazer, buffalo, winchester , Have a couple new Mags, including a Glock mag to test tomorrow. I will also try some different ammo.
After 2 perfect shooting Rocks, these issues surprised me a lot.

Gen 3-4 Glock thing. The ejector comes to a fine point and isn’t angled right. So less surface area on brass can mean anemic ejection, and in the wrong direction. Should still be reliable, but you can buy Gen 5 ejectors and swap them in. Usually fixes it right up. Sometimes you can also need a new extractor, but I think it’s the non loaded chamber indicating ones, so the Dagger already comes with those.

gotcha on a fix , but the point of a NEW firearm is not to NEED a fix. I am hoping a simple break in period resolves my multiple issues including brass to face…I don’t fix new things even those I want to like and can fix…

It’s not something that needs fixing. It’s an annoyance and that’s all. Gen 3 Glocks STILL come with that old ejector design to this day. Gun works fine. If you WANT to fix the annoyance, you can.

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Your right stove pipes and failure to eject with cases stuck inside and jamming are non issues and the gun works fine . Its when it actually shoots the brass hits my face, head tc , but I guess Its all good and i should settle for that. Really! I’ll just tell my wife the guys say its ok just dodge, its a GLOCK thing… FWIW I have 2 Rocks that toss the brass about 20 feet back and to right , awesome and they both have not failed in any way with hundreds of rounds each.