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I lost track.
Hated that slide and replaced it with this one.
Put that rear sight forward SW1 slide in junk drawer.
Later I wanted to try FDE and replaced the frame with this.
Loved the FDE and replaced the slide with this.
That entire Dagger literally disappeared a piece at a time. Back to the junk drawer.
Time passed
Then I wasted time and I replaced the tall sights with regular night sights. Polished rod, spring, striker, plunger on the ugly slide. Removed the lip and bump from the frame as well as polishing the trigger and rails.
The slide racks like youâre stroking a stick of butter and the trigger is smooth as glass with the regular break at the end. All in all I absolutely hate it and want to resort to my original plan of stripping the slide and hiding it somewhere Iâll never see it again. 
The one plus that saves it (kinda) is IWB carry is nice since the rear of the slide in your gut does not have a rear sight and is smaller/shorter/rounded/smooth⌠
Love/Hate
I love the worked over frame. I hate the worked over slide, stillâŚ
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Come to think of it. That gray slide âyou made me buyâ the one I love even though âI hated the grayâ but bought it anyways. Well it was on that original black frame for awhile. Then the gray grew on me. As a matter of fact I ordered a gray frame for it this morning and I will now have an all gray Dagger. Even though âI donât like grayâ and dont want it. Funny how things work out over time.
Im stoked and cant wait for that gray frame now
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awesome sounds like a job well done and problem solved! put a red trigger in your gray pistol so it looks like the duck hunt gun, always been fond of nes aesthetics
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The rear sight in front of the optic cut is the one setup youâd want the irons on with an optic. It doesnât block your window at all if you shoot both eyes open. If you always get a perfect presentation it wonât matter, but that doesnât always happen. The cowitness sights being at the back will block the lower part of your window. It also protects your optic from casings and from racking off things.
But yeah without an optic it doesnât look great. Sortof old CZ100 looking though, if anyoneâs used one of those.
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irons and optics donât belong together⌠irons as backup on an optic system like a carbine is ok but not necessary on a pistol. absolute co-witness is as useful as painting the front tip of your sight red.
There are many that would disagree with that. Optics can fail for many reasons. If you need to make an accurate shot, sighting through the backplate wonât cut it.
Do I have functional cowitness on mine? No, cause my sights arenât tall enough for the optic and plate. I am fine with that though, I trust my optic and maintain the batteries. many get cheaper optics and donât do battery swaps when they should. Cowitness sights can absolutely save them. Also having backup sights can help you align things if you have a bad draw. Which can happen even with trained people, if you are in a weird spot.
Also having the front sight hole filled helps prevent debris ingress, rear sight (front of optic cut) again, protects your main sighting system when you rack it off things.
Should your optic be able to handle racking off hard objects? Yes. Should you be risking that by slamming your sight into things when you have objectively better options, like, not doing that, or using a rear sight to rack? No.
And for argument sake, many think optics and pistols donât belong together. Just like when rifle optics came out at first, people said they donât belong together either.
Just because you donât see the point in it doesnât mean there isnât a good one. You personally donât have to like it, but the advantages of a backup sighting system are numerous.
Like I donât see the point of a PCC honestly. I saw the other thread with the MCK kit and stuff, but just donât say anything. Itâs still a gun, it functions and does what it should. Unless someone puts something on that can/will likely actively make it not function properly, I donât care what people do. Why I tell people not to use an extended mag release and 2# spring at the same time, or to be super careful on trigger and connector mods, use an armorers backplate. Install the comps the correct way around. Outside of things like that, do what you want. And always be learning and open to new things.
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Youâre right on all accounts and it absolutely works either way. I just hate the looks of it.
Also I personally dont prefer the red dot on a handgun. I have one and dont want two. Which makes me think. Maybe I can swap stuff around. I have a Vortex I never put on that slide because I got a Green slide with rear sight rear and a Holosun. Maybe Iâll remove the Holosun and run the Black slide with a Vortex as my single red dot handgun.
Iâve personally had bad experiences with the Venom after running it a while, Holosun all the way for me. But Iâve had a friend tell me Vortex did a rolling change on the Venom line and made basically a Gen2, with glass that doesnât scratch from brass casings. I wouldnât risk it also considering how thin and weak the optic body is. But my friend who gets Holosuns in the same town as me, gets duds constantly and their CS is not working well for him. I donât know, luck I guess.
Thereâs absolutely nothing wrong with irons, but I like to take every reasonable advantage I can. I already shoot irons like itâs a red dot, both eyes open target focus, so the learning curve was pretty much 0 for me. I went to a red dot, had immediate, measurable improvement, and havenât gone back since. Aesthetics are definitely a thing too. For me, I go function over form. I have a Hi-Point and like it after all. I like the big enclosed mailbox optics too, but I see it from the point of, itâs enclosed, not gonna fog inside, no lint buildup inside that I canât reach, etc. I canât unprogram that from my head.
Also why I donât care for PCCâs. Sure they are fun to shoot, but I already have a 9mm carry gun, I really donât need a ârifleâ that shoots the same anemic caliber. They are also easier to shoot at range vs a pistol, but I practice fairly regularly, Iâm not worried about it. Pistol is always on me too, a rifle isnât.
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thatâs a lot of words but, i donât see anyoneâs performance increasing. i do see endless more cons vs pros. the final justification from people who use them not in competition is they donât need to shoot far awayâŚ
out the box itâs far more work to have a decent iron sights setup than rmr? who is pushing what? also tbh i see mostly really cheap rmr because of it. the tall sights are terribleâŚ
Many donât give optics a fair chance anyway. They shoot irons for 10 years, fire one mag with an optic and go âI donât like itâ. Well itâs new, thatâs barely even trying it.
Performance absolutely does increase and thatâs not just me saying it, many reputable trainers do as well, including former LEO and mil in case civilian shooting isnât enough credentials.
I never said a good iron sight setup was more than an RMR. I even prefer plain blacked out sights so I can get a functional iron setup for me, for about 40-80 bucks depending on if I want them tall or not.
this thread is titled âWhere are the original Dagger slidesâ âŚnot âWhy donât you just use RMR and accept itâ âŚor âtall sights are just as good, especially if you just use an RMR and accept itâ
Well we already know the answer to that question. Discontinued.
Itâs just surprising that a company with a reputation for nearly endless varieties of its products would eliminate the simplest and most basic version of one of its better-known products.
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Its about consumer demand.
yep⌠ultimately youâre right⌠it surprises met too, but in the end youâre spot on. i think it just also means i may trade a slide with a rmr cutout for one without. i bet we can find folks who will take that trade quickly.
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@savagemic, When and where man, sad I missed out on the âregularâ iron sight models without the rmr cut. Just picked up a frame (missed the daily deal by a few hours).
Welcome to the PSA forums @rhadamsjr84
I suppose so, but it still surprises me that people no longer wanted the <=$300 pistols on which the line was built.
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