For me, itās the one with the lowest price!
I hear āya, PSA is definitely the better price point. Just for fun I looked these three up at Buds Gun Shop.
FN $1,249
Ruger $618
S&W $579
⦠and a quick look at PSA shows the Rock for $499.
Money aside, Iāve handled both the Ruger and S&W and prefer the Rock. The Ruger felt wrong in my hand and the S&W trigger didnāt suit me. Or was it the other way around. ![]()
Years ago I ran a rental G19 and absolutely hated it for hand feel. Wasnāt a fan of 9 but handled a Dagger @ the Greenville store. The ergos were perfect for me. Ordered the 1st Rock based on that alone and have loved it ever since. Might even have a couple daggers.
That reminds me⦠I still need to pick up a Rock. ![]()
Iāve owned every 5.7 pistol outside of the Excel arms options and I highly recommend the rock.
He speaks highly about the PSA Rock, while at the same time talking about past history with PSA. If he wants to judge them equally. He should equip his PSA with a red dot and threaded barrel, just as he did with the S&W.
I was impressed that he put the Rock a close 2nd to the S&W and said that was only because he had more rounds through the S&W.
But, he also reported no malfunctions with the PSA Rock. Which is a good thing.
I donāt like Outlaw, I donāt think heās half as āhonestā as he wants to come off as. First off I question his overall knowledge about firearms with a lot of the āissuesā he has, second, I think itās pretty obvious he takes kickbacks from S&W and probably others, third, he never shows the actual results of his shooting or a clear visual of what heās aiming at (itās pretty easy to fake āringing steelā if we canāt see a clear line of the shots,) fourth, itās very clear in all his revolver reviews he only shoots specials while claiming to do full reviews. Things like that. I also believe he does puff pieces of Gucci guns because he likes being sent them for free. Not to mention the guy masks $50 raffles as āgiveaways.ā
He strikes me as just another shill with limited knowledge.
Iāve mostly only watched his 5.7 reviews so havenāt seen enough to know if heās fake or not. He does sometimes come across a bit too brash for my liking, but I guess some folks like that.
At least we know heās honest (so far) about the 5.7 Rock. ![]()
He has another channel on YouTube. Itās called āOutlaw Lifeā. He and his wife are building a new house on 55 acres. With a longer firing range. It must be nice for his channel supporters to buy him his guns and ammo for his reviews. And, of his reviews are is job. Where did the money come for the new house and land?
I watched a couple of his reviews. Frankly, I donāt like his style. I also donāt feel like heās fair in his comparisons or the reviews which Iāve seen.
That said, that doesnāt make him dishonest and I think it is completely fair for him to make money with his channel. No reason he shouldnāt. Personally, I donāt care if heās a S&W āshillā or if he does softball pieces for āguicciā guns. Apparently his channel subscribers like the content and thatās good enough.
I also donāt think itās fair to imply that heās cheating his subscribers somehow because heās building a new house by speculating on where the money for it comes from. Who knows? Maybe his wife has a great job. Maybe heās got a second job. Maybe he inherited a bunch of money from a rich uncle. Maybe heās on 100% disability from combat injuries which arenāt obvious. Maybe he found the leprechaunās pot of gold or got three wishes by rubbing a lamp. Who knows? The point is that itās unfair to imply that heās doing something unethical or nefarious without proof.
Iāve seen dishonest and questionable reviews from gun-toobers before, specifically with the Remington R51 (Gen 2). Some reviewers were honest about malfunctions or reliability issues. OK. On the other hand, some just wanted to do a negative review and complained about how dangerous it was because they could hear the audible click when the grip safety engaged and thus so could a possible assailant but it was also bad because they COULDNāT hear an audible click on the trigger reset. Just because I donāt like the content doesnāt mean theyāre unethical. Doing unethical things makes you unethical.
Maybe Iāll watch his 5.7 shootout review (maybe not). At this point the only reason Iād watch a review of the ROCK 5.7 is for entertainment or to confirm my personal choice to own one. ![]()
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
I queued up his 5.7 shoot-out review. I think he was being perfectly fair and honest in this video.
I donāt see any reason to complain about this shoot-out review.
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
With all due respect, when your ājobā is to review firearms and you want to present yourself as honest and fair in a space where dishonesty is rampant, you have a responsibility to not do those things. If you disagree, fine, but ājust because his subscribers like itā doesnāt make it ok. Does he have a right to make money, sure, but thatās like saying politicians have a right to make money in their profession as well - even if itās through insider trading or tax fraud. I mean, hey, if the voters donāt say anything then itās fine, right?
One other thing Iāve noticed is that most reviewers will reach out and address accusations of bias or be clear and upfront about sponsorships and the like - he also doesnāt do either of those. Says a lot.
Thereās plenty of fair and knowledgeable firearm information out there. Watch who you choose - but itās probably better to be skeptical going in.
Apples and oranges, he is only elected via his followers via their choice to follow him. Zero opportunity to change their lives in any manner whatsoever.
Hard disagree. A following is a following regardless of context, a āprofessional reviewerā should have an obligation to not be bought or have inherent biases, and yes he does have the opportunity to change things through influence.
Other guys who have been proven shills (sootch00 and iraqveteran888 as two immediate examples) provide zero positivity to the gun community by being bought.
He has no opportunity to vote to raise or lower the taxes associated with anything he shills. Hard disagree as well.
He can directly hurt companies or influence people to spend money in ways they shouldnāt all with a biased or purchased opinion. Thatās a very big deal and itās why a lot of the 2A community will rally against guys when it comes out that money is changing hands quietly.
Compare this to someone like James Reeves, for example - who openly admits his biases and feelings toward certain things, but also comes straight out and says he is not and will never be bought. The polar opposite of someone like Outlaw who says he is honest but most likely is not.
Again - this is all conjecture on my part but based on things I have noticed over time with his (and othersā) many videos. Feel free to disagree.
My issue is with the political reference⦠One is criminal behavior and the other is not. Iām more of a āBuyer Bewareā kinda guy.