9mm vs. .380

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9mm vs. .380 Caliber Ammo

With the ever-increasing deluge of micro 9mm handguns on the market today, it’s easy for many shooters to dismiss the .380 ACP without a second thought. And truthfully, only a few years ago, I would have 100 percent agreed with this statement. Especially given that most 380 handguns suffered from a fundamental mechanical issue that made them ill-suited to both new shooters and those with limited hand or arm strength. But a few new designs from big names have turned this on its head. So, let’s dive deeply into both cartridges and closely examine their benefits to help you make this critical caliber decision.

9mm Luger

Luger P08 9mm Pistol

Developed in Germany around the turn of the century, 9x19mm or 9mm Parabellum is the go-to round for modern semi-automatic pistols. Whether you’re a beat cop with a Glock 19, a soldier with a P320, or a civilian carrying a SIG P365, your handgun is a 9mm.

9mm Pros

Because of its prolific nature, 9mm is available everywhere and, more importantly, very affordable. Unless you’re buying defensive or specialty loads, $100 will get you more than enough 9mm for a training session at the range.

Another significant advantage of 9mm is the variety of loads available for it today. 165gr subsonic rounds pair perfectly with a suppressor to make your 9mm handgun (or carbine/SBR) extra quiet. In comparison, 124gr JHP rounds ensure that your rounds dump most of their energy into a target.

There are even special 135gr rounds designed to defeat automotive glass for civilians or cops who might encounter a threat behind the wheel. Truly, if there’s a special need or niche for a handgun, there’s a 9mm round designed specifically for it.

9mm Cons

For the most part, there really aren’t any. Yes, the round isn’t typically a one-shot fight-stopper, but its small size and light felt recoil means that handguns chambered in it have plenty of spare rounds in the magazine and are easy to get back on target between shots.

The only real drawback for the round is felt recoil in super compact, “micro” handguns. In these guns, the round can be a little snappy. But if you’ve ever had the joy of shooting a tiny J-Frame snub nose 38 special revolver, 9mm micros have vastly less felt recoil with dramatically better terminal performance.

.380 ACP

Beretta 80x 380 pistol

9x17mm, or 9mm kurz,  more commonly known as .380 ACP, is a slightly younger round that, despite being used as a military cartridge in Europe for decades, has a reputation in the United States as anemic.

There are two big reasons for this. The first is that .380 has roughly 30% less muzzle energy than 9mm Parabellum. The second has to do with bullet type. For decades, all ammunition was either lead or ball (AKA FMJ). This meant that .380 didn’t normally stop fights quickly unless a vital area was hit, like the heart or the brain. It also meant that attackers wearing thick denim or leather at medium range could shrug off direct hits as they would often fail to penetrate their clothing.

The energy issue can’t really be solved due to the limitations of the gun designs chambered in it. Still, modern projectile science has greatly elevated the round to proper defensive cartridge status.

One benefit of the reduced power of the round is that extremely small blowback handguns can be chambered in it. Guns like the venerable Walther PPK/s or super tiny Kel-Tec P3AT. These guns are tiny and affordable. Unfortunately, their method of operation means that shooters with limited hand strength often struggle to operate them correctly.

Since blowback firearms lack a locked breech, they rely on a stout recoil spring and hefty bolt (or slide, in this case) to delay the action’s rearward travel. This means they are normally three times harder to rack the slide on, and given their diminutive nature; they are also difficult to grasp properly.

However, many modern Ruger, Walther, and SIG designs now use a locked breech. This means that shooters can get a super compact handgun with roughly 25% less felt recoil than a 9mm of the same size. The downside is decreased ballistic efficacy, but if recoil control is a limiting factor for you, these options remain viable.

Another downside of the round is the cost, .380 is normally between 50 and 60% more expensive per round than 9mm Luger. 

Best Guns for Each Caliber

365 vs Ruger Max 380

Best is always subjective, and contrary to what my wife says, I’m frequently right. So, I’ve compiled a short list of some of the best examples of guns chambered in both .380 and 9mm for a specific application. This way, you can narrow your search down somewhat to a few guns that I can personally recommend. But I don’t make these recommendations lightly; Every gun on this list I’ve personally shot, or a very close friend has shot at least 500 rounds through. Lastly, this isn’t an exhaustive list; just because your favorite gun isn’t on this list doesn’t make it a poor choice. 

Best 9mm Home Defense Pistol - Glock 17/19

Glock 17 9mm

I combined these two guns into one section because they are mechanically identical. For the uninitiated, these 9mm Glock handguns set the gold standard for reliability and capacity when they hit the market. And for good reason: they’re both incredibly reliable and can tolerate huge amounts of use and abuse with just a little bit of extra care. Obviously, this makes them ideal for self and home defense as reliability is the single most important aspect of defensive weapons. But that’s not the only reason you should choose the Glock for home defense.

It also has a very serviceable trigger (and about a million aftermarket replacement options), and very impressive magazine capacity, with aftermarket examples holding up to 100 rounds of 9mm! Combine that fantastic capacity and reliability with very mild recoil, and you’ve got the perfect recipe to protect yourself and your loved ones.

Best .380 Home Defense Pistol - B&T TP380

I know I’ll catch hell for this. Still, with such a limited market in terms of higher-capacity .380 firearms, the new B&T TP380 stands alone as the most reliable, capacious 380 Auto pistol available.

Based on the Steyr TMP / B&T TP9/MP9, the TP380 is a semi-automatic pseudo-machine pistol that gives shooters a large-format pistol in a pocket pistol caliber. Why would you want this?

Simply put, the ability to either install a brace or (with a tax stamp) a stock further mitigates the already very mild recoil of .380 Auto from a locked-breech firearm like the TP380. This, combined with a suppressor and an optic, means that a shooter at home has an ultra-quiet, totally controllable compact gun that can be effectively fired with one or two hands. Navigating your home to save loved ones, freeing a hand to manipulate light switches, or grabbing and pulling unruly children back to safety isn’t an issue.

The only downside to this gun is the same as with all B&T firearms: cost. The TP380 runs around $2,500! But, if you want the only .380 Auto I would ever personally endorse for the role of home defense gun, that's how much it will cost you.

Best Conceal Carry 9mm - Glock 43X

Glock 43x MOS

When selecting the optimal pistol for concealed carry, the priority lies in seamless concealment, ease of handling, and commendable stopping power. However, it's essential not to overlook ammunition capacity, rendering tiny micro pistols less preferable. While they excel in concealed carry, their limited magazine hardly surpasses a revolver's capability.

Instead, I propose the Glock 43x. Slimmer by nearly half an inch compared to the esteemed G19, the 43x seamlessly blends into a waistband's contours. Moreover, boasting a ten-round magazine capacity, with the option for even greater capacity spare mags, the G43x furnishes shooters with ample firepower for deterring assailants.

In terms of stopping power, the G43x chambers the 9mm luger, solidifying its stance in two-way shooting scenarios. Admittedly, it won't halt an attacker with just any shot placement. However, equipped with appropriate defensive ammunition and precise aiming, the G43x stands as a dependable carry piece.

Best Conceal Carry 380 Auto - Ruger Security 380

Ruger Max 380

One of the biggest drawbacks of running a .380 Auto pistol, aside from stopping power, is limited capacity. The majority of them hold seven or fewer rounds. Thankfully, the engineers at Ruger have an eloquent solution: the Security 380.

Feeding from a double-stack magazine, the Ruger Security 380 holds an impressive 15 rounds of ammo in a standard magazine. Plus, unlike the vast majority of .380 pistols, the Ruger pistol functions VIA locked breech - so you won’t be stuck with a snappy pistol despite its relatively anemic chambering.

Best-in-class magazine capacity, soft-shooting, and with a great trigger - what’s not to love? Well, namely, the gun’s thickness. While not nearly as thick as a Glock 19, the little Ruger is still noticeably girthier than similarly sized 9mm pistols like the SIG P365. But it’s not all doom and gloom, the extra width of the pistol’s grip makes it point better in the hand and reduces felt recoil by spreading the recoil impulse over a larger distance. For all these reasons plus Ruger’s legendary warranty, the Security 380 is my pick for conceal carry guns in .380 Auto.

The Verdict

P365 vs SW 442

Unless a physical limitation prevents you from handling the recoil impulse of a 9mm handgun, shooters should choose a 9mm Luger every single time. There’s a reason every modern military issues handguns of this caliber - it works. 9mm strikes a great balance between capacity, controllability, and stopping power. Plus, modern offerings are as compact as snub-nosed J-frame 38 specials like the SW442 pictured above.

Yes, .380 Auto pistols can get the job done in the hands of a determined or trained shooter. Still, by the very nature of carrying a handgun over a rifle, you’re already compromising stopping power in favor of portability and concealability. Why would you further compromise this to get a slightly easier gun to shoot?

Comments
Tom H.
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Glock 25 is a block back entry in .380 ACP which rivals the Glock 17 in size. I recently purchased a Glock 25 and had no issues. The magazines are available in either 15 and 17 rounds. The 15 round magazines are around $25.00 each. I paid $518.00 out the door for this Glock offering in .380 ACP. The Glock 25 is a Talo exclusive handgun so if you’re interested, I recommend you purchase it before the supply dries up. Be safe and May God Bless America, and all who cherish freedom.
Jim Grant
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You're 100% spot on! Buying cheap and stacking deep is the name of the game in the shooting world. I've never heard anyone utter the phrase, "I wish I hadn't bought so much ammo" in my life - and with it being an election year, I don't expect that to change.
Jack Kerley
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Good comparison, i carried a glock 40s&w for years as loe. Glock cant be beat however now my normal edc is a hellcat 15+1, I do carry a lcp max from time to time 12+1. The punch and stopping power of all is the personal protectection ammo you choose. Personally I use federal hydra shock in all 3 calibers as my protection ammo, it's a little more expensive than most but can you put a price on the life of you or your family and friends, don't think so.
David B Flowe
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Enjoyed the read. I have a Ruger EC9s. I use an extended mag and the slightness of the weapon is more than made up for with a great full grip. I prefer my Glock 22 .40cal. for general use though.
Jason
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lol guess he's not a Glock fan. Glocks are like apple phones same shit different gen. And fell behind all the other makers
Nunya
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Did you honestly just say that 380 bounces off clothing at medium range? Have you ever shot a 380? A 32 will penetrate thick denim at 50 yards. Where are you getting your information? What is medium range?
Jim Grant
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I didn't say it bounces off clothing, but it can fail to properly penetrate heavy clothing like thick denim or leather enough to reach vital organs. The same can't be said for 9mm.
Jay
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Kel-tec P3AT is a locked breech design.
Robert Hood
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As a gunsmith, I have the privilege of firing many different handguns. The article is spot on with a note that the authors choices of "Best" are subject to one's experience and own opinion. The B&T aside, for obvious reasons, I would agree with the choice of a Glock based handgun be it the G19 or G43x/48. For these I have found that the PSA Dagger Compact and Micro are much more comfortable than Glock I have ever fired. The attention to the grip style is what makes the PSA handguns more attractive. I have pointed many a happy Glock owner to the PSA site with very positive results. Only one of my customers has decided the blocky grip of the Glock is more appealing. As to the 380, I would lend that the S&W M&P Shield 380EZ is superior choice for a carry gun in the 380 size. Not a pocket gun by any means, but the ease of function is what sells this one. It feels good and is, well, EZ to use. The aforementioned are all good options. These are just my "Best" to carry opinions. God Bless.
Mike
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You know, this "stopping power" thing has went on forever. Handguns do not have "stopping power." They make holes. Air goes in, blood comes out. If an organ is hit, more damage is done. Period. Physics says that every action had an opposite and equal reaction. If a bullet could "knock you down," recoil would knock rhe person down that fired it. As far as penetration goes...the Skorpion machine pistol fires the .32 ACP...less energy than the .380, but I never saw anyone that wanted to be shot by one of those. Tissue disruption and blood loss kill people shot by a handgun. Plus organ damage, if an organ is hit. A .22 round through the liver or heart will kill you faster than a 9mm that goes through skin and muscle. Bullet placement is EVERYTHING with all non-magnum rounds. Even with those, to a certain extent.
Jim Grant
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Good point on stopping power. It's just a catch-all term for terminal ballistic efficacy, but it rolls off the tongue better. Using the FBI's metric for success - penetrating 14-16in in ballistic gelatin - we can set a standard for what is or isn't powerful enough. But there are more nuanced aspects to picking a caliber than that. Stuff like felt recoil, cost, and capacity. But back to your point, you're 100% correct: shot placement trumps power unless we're talking about a crew-served weapon. That is why a derringer in .45-70 is awesome, but if you can't hit anything with it, it's no better than a really loud hammer.
Jon
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What are you talking about?! You think .380 is like airsoft or something? .380 & 9 are plenty to get the job done effectively. We’re not shooting hundreds of yds away. It’s point blank/self defense distance. And how do you (as a psa guy) recommend a 43x over your own micro dagger?
Bear Country Dweller
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In my experience, the lower velocity and bullet weight of 380 typically performs better with ball ammo. It's all about those well-placed holes. I have both and both serve their purpose … The Ruger LCP Max in 380 is crazy concealable and very easy to shoot and operate. My 9 yr old can handle it with confidence. The S&W Shield and Shield Plus in 9 isn't much bigger and shoots like a dream. My Performance Center edition with the ported barrel stays on target as fast as you can pull the trigger. Once you get past the diminutive models for concealment, I don't see much point in either cartridge. The G17, for example, is a solid firearm but awfully large for such a light cartridge. I prefer 10mm for a duty size side arm. 45 ACP, 40 S&W, 357 Sig are all good options as well and plenty easy to shoot. One other thought, I was recently helping someone with serious hand strength issues. Even the lightest sprung pistols were a challenge for her (even the S&W EZ). She ended up with a mid-sized 357/38 revolver loaded with light 38s. In the end, it doesn't get any simpler than that.
Grumpy 49
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Age is a critical issue in the debate of 380 vs 9mm. The modern locked breech 380 pistols are easier for us "senior shooters" to handle, and modern bullet design have improved terminal ballistics. I own a 9mm "ACTION JACK" and see that there is a 45/1911 version available now, so racking the slide is not as much a problem as disassembly/reassembly for cleaning. Hate having to find a recoil spring that went off into the unknown! Still, I will keep my 9mm, and my "PP" version 380 clone. Note - Also need to have a magazine loader, as Arthritis is a problem many "senior shooters" have to overcome.
Steve
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Myself I'm not a Glock fan, I don't like the way it feels in my hand, and for the price I shouldn't have to buy aftermarket parts to make it better.
R. Clark
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I carry a BabyRock .380 and a Charter Arms .380 revolver for back up. Had to replace my favorite, my Walther CCP in 9mm. It shoots so smooth the wife has adopted it.
Thomas
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I personally like both rounds. My EDC varies between both depending on the activity for that particular day. I will say either caliber will kill if hit in cranium or sternum. Last time I checked 380 has killed more people according to F.B.I. data. I sell firearm and sell a lot of SW 380 EZ 's people love them for C.C. I also sell a bunch of Springfield Hellcats 9mm and PSA dagger micro 's .Glock 43x is gaining popularity as of late. Remember you definitely would not like being shot with these calibers so let's just leave it at that. Until we meet again.
Joseh
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I LOVE the new Smith & Wesson Bodyguard 2.0 high capacity 380! I'll have to say that it's the BEST 380 for concealed carrry EVER.
John
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Smith and Wesson just released the Bodyguard 2.0 in 380 acp, and it looks like such an ideal pistol for concealed carry, I may be making my first 380 purchase soon. I love the Shield Plus, but even as small as it is and pleasant to shoot, I still find it a little cumbersome to carry sometimes (along with every other micro-compact that fit in my hands). I could see the new Bodyguard being just the ticket if it feels anything like its slightly bigger brother, and I’d likely carry all the time.
Joshua Waits
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The Kel-Tec P3AT is a locked breech design…
Alex
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The Smith and Wesson bodyguard 2.0 has been true its offerings so far in .380 I am a die hard Glock supporter because they simply work, and my 43x has had countless hours as an EDC and range time.
jharl
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I like a .380 in the summer, however once football season starts its back to 9mm. It's a Texas thing...
Jim Grant
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I'm on the same page as you. I live down in South Carolina, and the Summer can be brutally hot. Hot enough that it becomes very tricky to properly conceal carry even a compact 9mm handgun. But that said, there are some newer designs like the P365 Compact and even the Bond Arms bullpup that are nearly as small as a .380 pocket pistol.